AME: Dueling AIs

[00:00:01] [SPEAKER_01] This is a production of The Very Dental Podcast Network. Alan Mead is a dentist with too much time on his hands and too much recording equipment in his basement. Armed with an obsession to bring entertaining and informative content to the dental world in a way that's never been done before, I give you the Alan Mead

[00:00:26] [SPEAKER_00] Experience. Well, hello and welcome to another episode of The Alan Mead Experience. I'm your host, Dr. Alan Mead. I'm a dentist, a podcaster, and I can say I'm a little inspired. I'll say that. A couple weeks ago I was complaining about some feedback I got, and I think I asked for the feedback on the podcast about the podcast and some people were saying how they didn't

[00:00:53] [SPEAKER_00] care for the monologues, the Alan Mead Experience. And here's my thing. I only have one feed right now on the podcast, so if you really don't like the Alan Mead Experience, if you don't like the monologues, just don't download it. I'm only going to post it, like I said, I'm only going to post stuff when I'm inspired, but let's be perfectly honest. I'm actually inspired almost weekly to talk about something. I have multiple topics I would talk about today,

[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_00] but so I continue to be inspired. I can't quit it. Can't quit it because I'm inspired to talk about certain stuff. So, hey, if you would rather have guests and stuff, just wait for the other episodes or whatever you need to do for this free podcast, whatever you got to do. Anyhow, so I've been thinking about a lot of things lately. And one of the things

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_00] that's interesting to me is, okay, so I would say I'm not an early adopter of AI stuff. I definitely was not because I remember it was a podcast some, I don't know, a year and a half, two years ago with Michael Anderson from, he's from Wondrist. He's one of the founders of Wonderist Agency. And he was telling me all about these different AIs and I had not really used

[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_00] them. I remember when ChatGPT came out and I want to say it was 2023. It's so funny too, because like it's 2026, almost 2027 now, but AI as like a useful, I don't know, the large language model AIs that we use for, that we're now kind of taking for granted on our phones and stuff like that. They were only really widely used and available in 2023. I think this was, so it's

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_00] only been three years or so since they came out. And I heard about them. I actually, I heard about them when I was listening to other podcasts, to be honest, people talking about this is amazing and stuff. And I didn't look into them very much. It wasn't until after I talked with Michael on that podcast that I actually started kind of playing around with him. And what I remember,

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_00] it's very weird. What I remember is somehow, I think I chose to look into Gemini because I'm a Google Pixel phone owner and I have a Gmail account. And so I'm sort of integrated into the whole Google ecosystem. And so I chose Gemini because I already was kind of using that stuff. And it's really funny, a podcast a month or a couple months ago with Dr. Richard Lowe, he told me that Gemini is not

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_00] powerful enough. It's not the right one. I should be using chat GPT or Claude. And I'm thinking to myself, I won't lie. I use Gemini a lot and I pay the $20 a month. One of the themes of today's episode is going to be, man, it's easy to just start paying for these things. They just, they, they want you to like, you see how it could be useful. You drop the, you drop the, you know, I think, like I said, Gemini, I think I get Gemini pro with a terabyte of cloud storage from Google

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_00] for like 20 bucks a month. So I just started doing that. I, I, I didn't give it a lot of thought because I, I wasn't, I didn't know what I was going to use it for. I didn't. So, so I just started to, I am, I pay for multiple monthly subscriptions to different AIs because I've just been interested in them over the years without giving a ton of thought to the fact that like, just like dental software, it's just a monthly swipe, you know? And at the time you're making that choice, it doesn't seem like very much money. It's like, ah, it's 20 bucks.

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_00] Ah, whatever. I'll use it enough. So, uh, same thing with, you know, I have multiple things that, I mean, I think I can text people four different ways on my stupid dental software. I pay for things that I don't really use to their max and, and it's, it's not a little bit of money. It's, it's, it's a fair amount of money. I need to go in and really kind of like look into that. Podium, I'm looking at you. I, cause I'm just saying I, I'm, I pay for stuff that I'm not really

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_00] using very effectively. So, so the reality is, is I don't know if there are other practice owners, probably practice owners that are Gen X like me. I'm 55 years old. We, I started my dental, I own my dental practice before we probably had, uh, I, I did not have broadband internet when I bought my practice. It was 1998. I don't think I had broadband internet coming into my

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_00] practice till I'll bet you 2003, maybe something like that. Like, so I, I mean, like I was probably on dial up or nothing. And you remember at that point, you know, no one really had a smartphone cause they didn't exist. Uh, you might have a cell phone, but you didn't have wireless internet. Like I'm old enough to remember is what I'm saying. So these, all these different technologies that have come along over the years, it's funny because I had Dentrix in 1998 and Dentrix has this

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_00] basic, uh, database feature that basically stores your patient information. And, and, you know, and I actually use Dentrix, Dentrix imaging for my radiography, which now I'm realizing that's probably a mistake, but, um, it's built in. It's supposed to be quicker. It doesn't feel quick. It takes fricking forever to pull up radiographs off of my network. I don't know if that means my server is old. I don't, I don't know. I don't know this stuff. And I, I hate the idea of looking

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_00] down the barrel of having, I just got, you know, earlier this summer, I just got new hardware in the operatories. And frankly, it works slower than the old hardware in the operatories. It's just that the old hardware was, was not windows 11 compliant. So I couldn't upgrade it anymore. I had to get new. It's just a, it's just a frigging mess. This is why I feel like, I feel like eventually when I'm a grownup, I'm going to have to go to some kind of a cloud-based software because I just, I don't, I don't know. I don't love all the updates. I don't love it. Like, and that stuff is sort of

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_00] built in when it works in a browser. What do I know? In any case, over the years, there've just been lots of add-ons and a lot of the basic software doesn't seem to have built-in add-ons. So you're, you're constantly adding, whether it's like weave or mango, which is a VoIP, uh, phone system that pulls up data from your database when a, it does basically a caller ID where it brings up their chart for you automatically. So you can look at that stuff. And then you've got,

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_00] you know, the different texting before, before texting patients was like a regular thing. Like it was definitely an add-on and the add-on would have to go into your data. It wasn't built into the software that you had and you'd have to add, do an add-on. So all these things have been add-ons and I have to tell you now, AI stuff seems to be an add-on in every part of your life. In other

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_00] words, it's not really, none of this stuff is built into the basics of the software, which I feel like someone, some software or someone could really make a lot of money by offering like single price for everything like that had every feature and they didn't nickel and dime you with every feature. This is not even what I was planning on talking about, but it's so real. Like the add-ons are

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_00] overwhelming. And frankly, 55 year old dude, not in too much debt. I've owned a practice since 1998. Um, I'm not paying as close to attention to what specifically I'm paying for. And I should be because I think I'm overpaying because the add-ons have literally started since 1998 and continued. So I don't even know exactly what I'm paying for. AI is kind of no different. My point being

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_00] that now that AI is becoming super regular to be used by dentists in different ways, whether that's, it's, uh, you know, charting, uh, whether it's, it's research, whether it's imaging, whether it's all this stuff, like each one of these AI seems to do a little different thing and each one of them wants you to pay a different amount for it. So I'm just going to start with my, the AIs that I

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_00] know I'm using. There's probably some I'm missing. This is embarrassing, but there's probably some that I use that I'm missing or I'm not thinking. So the first one, as I mentioned was I started using Gemini relatively, I don't know, probably a couple of years ago. And one of the things that I loved about it was once I got a transcript of the podcast, um, uh, I could, I could put that in, in, uh, Gemini

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_00] or, or I would, it's really funny. There's one I already got, got rid of. I could put a transcript into Gemini and Gemini could do a great job helping me organize my ideas for show notes, what I wanted to keep in there, what I didn't all this. And so my show notes are a lot of times it just made it faster. It used to be that I would like listen to each episode after I edited it on fast to just kind of pull stuff out of the conversation. And so the editing took for a lot longer and I got really

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_00] fast at it. To be honest, I got really fast at it. I could, um, I didn't take a ton of notes while recording because typically I'm kind of into the conversation. And so I'm not really, I'm not huge on, you know, taking notes. And I used to, when we started the dental hacks, I always had a list of questions or topics and I would email it to the, to the person I was talking to. And I still do that sometimes just so they have an idea of what we might talk about, but rarely do I stick to a list

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_00] of questions. I have listened to a few podcasts in my time where I remember the entrepreneur on fire, which there might be people that love that. That was hot garbage as far as I was concerned, but the guy made a gazillion dollars doing a podcast and you know, God bless him. But, uh, he used to just list the, ask the same questions to whatever entrepreneur he was talking to. It was just a list of questions and it was on, on some level it was, he never really varied from that.

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_00] I don't do that. I mean, I, I let the conversation go where it will. Cause typically it's the conversation is better when it's just a little bit more organic. It just been my, that's been my thing forever. So anyhow, when I go back, I used to have to go back to kind of listen to the conversation again, because I kind of, I wasn't taking notes. I was paying attention to the conversation more than the, more than taking notes. So I'd have to re-listen to it. Well, now what's so great about AI is you can

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_00] get a transcript of it and feed it into Google Gemini and it would, it could give me an outline. It could kind of write some show notes for me. It could give me bullet points. It could give me all kinds of stuff. And if you've seen, I don't know how many of you, it'd be very interesting to know if you're a regular listener and you know who you are. Um, do you look at the show notes? I rarely look at show notes, to be honest, of podcasts that I listen to almost never actually,

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_00] but I've always felt an obligation to make a decent set of show notes so that, you know, if someone wanted to read what the podcast was about and they knew it wasn't going to be interesting, the show notes would help them know that. So I've always felt obligated to do show notes. Anyhow, so I would throw this into Gemini. What I was using is very interesting. What I was using to, to create the transcript originally was called Descript and Descript was okay. So I used to record

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_00] remotely with a, with the software called Squadcast, but then we switched to a software called Riverside. Riverside records video just built in, which is what I'm using right now in Riverside and Squadcast would allow you to record remotely. So someone else would log in you and it would record their end on their computer, which was a higher quality recording and then upload it to the cloud. So you could hear it would sound better. It wouldn't sound like it was recorded over a bad phone call.

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_00] Uh, Squadcast was able to do that pretty effectively for me for a while, but I would have to literally take the recording and throw it over to this piece of software called Descript that was 35 bucks a month that would, that would then take the transcript, make a transcript out of that. And it would offer show note options. It had its own AI built into it. I was paying 35 and then I, like earlier this year, uh, I was able to just start throwing the, the, the audio over into Gemini and it would create

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_00] its own transcript. So that's a functionality that literally I, I don't use Descript anymore. I saved my $35 a month on Descript because, because my $20 Gemini, uh, subscription can do that. And that's basically my main point for today is that these AIs are all starting to, they're, they all seem to start in one place. Like this is the software that can read your x-rays, or this

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_00] is a software that can help you with your chart notes, or this is this. And what's happening is they're all kind of getting to be this, the functions are all starting to merge. So I used to use Descript to get my transcript for a podcast. Now I don't, I just take the audio that I've recorded, that I record directly into my computer or take it, take it off of Riverside, which is the, now the current remote and video software that I'm using. So if I place any, if I put up any video from this podcast, it will have come from Riverside because it just kind of does it for me

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_00] automatically. It's nice. And actually Riverside creates its own transcript as well. So I don't even have to have Gemini listen to it. I get a transcript from Riverside. All these fricking things are starting to do, they're duplicating in the same way that in dental software, a lot of these functionalities are duplicating until you're paying more for them. So that's my point. I'm like, okay, so knowing we are in the early phases of all how AI is going to be built into our dental office.

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_00] So it's, it's funny because when I started using Gemini, it could do certain things and not other things. Well, as it's gotten better, as, as it's, as it's grown, just like all these AIs, they all can do a lot of stuff and they can do more stuff. And they're going to, so some of these are going to put functionality, which I think I find very interesting. It's an interest, the whole, the whole conceit of AI, I'll, I used to think is that it's all just really smart, but what it is,

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_00] is the functionality amongst the different AIs changes, evolves, and some of them just become less useful. And, and as a user, I have to decide what's most important to me and what's most useful to me. So, like I said, I don't use Descript anymore because I, I find that, that Gemini, which I'm already paying for, can do just fine with that. So here's another complete AI

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_00] sidetrack. I'm such a sucker. I'm such a sucker. So I, I bought, when I first, when it first came out, I bought a little piece of equipment called the Plaud, Plaud, P-L-A-U-D, Plaud Note Pin. And it was this little, little pod and basically it's, it was, it could pin on your shirt or whatever. And, and it was an AI recorder and it could record meetings. It could record conversations. It could record, and it could summarize them for you. And I bought that. And I, and I, again,

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_00] I want to say it's like a $20, $19 a month fee, or, and if you buy yearly, it's a little bit less. And I'll say, and basically you can use this unlimited amount and it has cloud storage and, and it has an AI that outlines and everything like that. And so I was using that for a little while. And then I found what happens is my algorithm, and this is not going to help matters because it's just going to send more of them. My algorithm is, Hey, this guy is very interested in AI

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_00] hardware. So I get constant ads on Instagram and Facebook about different hardware, AI hardware recorders and stuff like that. Cause I'm kind of fascinated by it. I bought another one called the HiDoc. I think I've talked about it. HiDoc P1, which is a, it's a, it's a cool handheld. It has a nice feel to it and a heft to it that does the same thing. It records stuff and it uses its own AI to process. It is weird too, cause they all have their own AI. They all have their

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_00] own monthly swipe so they can process this stuff. And I actually, I actually said, okay, to my youngest son, who's taking college classes, even though he's a junior in high school, he's taking college. I'm like, Hey, maybe you take this recorder into college classes. You can record your classes and then we can help you with notes. This thing will help you write good notes. It's not going to help you write your papers. It's not going to do that. Just to help you write notes. He says, great idea. Well, he's lost it. I think I paid for a year in advance on its AI. I've got no AI attached to it cause he's

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_00] lost the recorder. I have no idea. So I have, those are two of the, the hardware recorders that I have. Oh, it gets worse. Yeah. It gets worse people. Everyone in out there is going, why don't you just use your phone? Good question. You could absolutely use your phone and literally just record and send the MP3 over to Gemini to do this stuff. There are a million ways to do this. I like the hardware recorders because they're a little more discreet. You don't have to think that hard about them.

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_00] I frankly, I'm looking at a couple of them that are, are always on. You just wear around your neck or your wrist. They're always on. I don't know. Privacy is a little bit of a thing there because, you know, you can't really take it in with patients and stuff unless it's HIPAA compliant. And God, now they're all supposedly HIPAA compliant too. I'm hearing that, that they are. I don't know for sure. So don't take any, don't take any advice from me as to what to use, but so I got a couple of these hardware recorders and they work quite well. I will say this when I, when I go to CE stuff,

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_00] I basically record with the plot. I have a little wrist thing. I wear it on my wrist and I can record it. It's got a great battery life. It syncs right up to my phone. And then I, there's a, there's a, an app on your browser. If you want to do that, it's all cloud-based and it does. It's great. And you can, if you want, you can just grab a transcript, throw it over into whatever AI you're using. It's, it's pretty flexible. I'm dumb for paying for more, more of these than I need to, but I guess I'm a hobbyist. So I'm kind of, I kind of like them. Honestly, I literally just put, I put $10 down

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_00] on a new, on a new one. Let me see. I'll find what it is. All right. So this thing that I put $10 down on for an order is called the Floatica, F-L-O-W-T-I-C-A. And it's, it's basically a hardware solution, AI hardware note-taking solution that like magnetically attaches to the back of your phone. And it's got an e-ink screen on it. So it's basically, you can turn your phone over from

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_00] one screen to another. It's, I'm an idiot. I don't know why I did it. I haven't bought it yet. I put $10 down on it. It hasn't come out yet. I'll keep you posted and I'll put the, I'll put it in the show notes. You can see what an idiot I am. Again, it's going to have another one of these things where it's, you know, 20 bucks a month for the, I don't know how much it's going to cost. Some of these things claim to have no subscription. Most of them, like everything have some kind of a subscription fee

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_00] involved. So I loved the idea of using AI. And I've told you many times, I really like AI for chart notes. And I like the AI chart notes that literally record the entire, the entire appointment. And then you, it sort of does it for you. Like you don't, you don't have to worry about what you're recording or

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_00] what, what's being said or whatever. They're, they're HIPAA compliant. They, they, they don't, you know, they don't go out onto the web. They don't, I don't, I bought them. I don't know how they do it, but basically they're claiming privacy and they have liability on, on the privacy, which is great. I bought, I bought Heidi health and I'll put a link in the show notes. I like Heidi health. And actually I bought just cause I'm such a sucker. I bought another one of these stupid hardware recorders. It's the Heidi version. And I bought that because I was worried about HIPAA compliance. And they said, yep, the HIPAA, it is HIPAA compliant. So here we are. I have Heidi health.

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_00] And I paid for a year of that. And I've, I've been using it for a few months. I got to tell you, um, I'm going to come back to this, but it's one of these things, unless it's right in front of you, unless you're thinking about, unless it's right in front of your face, you don't necessarily think to do it until you're like, ah, damn it. Like I know that we've talked about, um, freed AI and they, that's kind of phone based where you keep your phone in your pocket and, but it still kind of

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_00] requires you to press record. I am a strong believer that the tools, if you want to be using effective tools at all times, it has to have no friction whatsoever. You have to just be able to, it has to be right in front of you. The instrument that you want to use for whatever you're using, if it's not on the tray, I don't have the patience to send my assistant out to get it. I'm usually like, okay, I'm just, we're not doing this. We're going to take care of it.

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_00] One of the reasons I have a microscope in all my operatories, because I'm not going to use the scope. If you got to wheel it in, it's not going to happen. And now with the, I have the, the scope that I like the most, the scope that I use the most effectively by far is the ZoomX OMS 2050. And frankly, I had the OMS 2380 for the longest time in the software on the original version that I had was not handy to show patients images. It was terrible in that way. So I upgraded to the 2050.

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_00] The 2050 has great software for this. All you have to do, you can literally use it. And, and it's basically, you take a mouse over to the left side of the screen. It allows you to show video or photos that you just took. Essentially, it's a very fancy intraoral camera. And I'm going to tell you, I'm going to talk about this in other episodes, but it is the most effective tool for getting people to follow through with treatment. If they're kind of like, eh, I don't know, I've never found a more effective tool than this particular microscope. Cause I take a lot of

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_00] video of microscope exams, that sort of thing. But the reality is if you can't, if it's not easy for me to show the patients what I'm showing after I've done an exam, it's, it's not really that useful is, and I've recorded years worth of exams. And the problem is you don't use them because it's not easy to get to. So the 2050 is quite effective this way. I have to say, I've, I've seen, I've seen another microscope that's even more effective in this way. They have a button that's

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_00] called freeze on it. It's the LT on it. And I'll tell you about that. I'll put that in the show notes too. You press the button and it freezes, whatever you're seeing. It doesn't even take the image. It just freezes it. So you can show the patient right at that second. It's pretty interesting. And that comes down to the whole frictionless thing. So you can show patients, the image is frictionless. I will tell you just using that microscope, the 2050 in the last week I've, I've sold, and I don't want to say sold. I've showed and booked thousands of dollars of treatment just

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_00] because I'm like, man, look at that. That tooth has got fractures all over these marginal ridges. That's a, that's a pretty, that feeling is breaking down. We need to do something about this. And the patients just do it. I just show it to them and then, Ooh, I didn't look good. So it's, you know, the same reason for people who effectively use inter-oral cameras, they know what I'm talking about. I just feel like an inter-oral camera, the image isn't as good as what I can get with the microscope. And I love using the microscope. So this is all win on that end.

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_00] But so, so what I'm saying is the frictionless aspect of it is the problem with these AI softwares. Heidi Health is really good. It's really good. If I remember to put the pin on and press the button, or if I remember to hit record on my phone, it's fantastic. Okay. But then I have to go back and I have to go open it up on the browser or in my phone. And I have to double check. I like to double check the note. The note is usually very good, very close. I don't have to do a lot of

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_00] alteration. But, and here's the thing that kills me. If I'm going to use this with Dentrix, I have, I have a Mac computer in my office at the office. And so I don't even have a direct denture. I have to like do a splash top into a, um, a Dentrix computer, but then I still have to go to the Heidi Health website, cut and paste my note, and then put it into Dentrix. So it's steps that you're probably not going to take. Let's be honest, folks.

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_00] We got stuff to do in worrying about cutting and pasting notes. And these are great notes. These are the best chart notes I've ever taken my whole life. And I do think AI is the way that to, but I'm paying for this stuff. It's, I don't know. I pay like a hundred bucks a month for Heidi Health and it's handy, but it's not quite there because it's not integrated into Dentrix. In other words, if I could do this directly into Dentrix, it would be much easier. Well then, okay. There's always a

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_00] well then, cause there's an AI that's probably doing that stuff. I had a call with my friend Sheila, who I'm going to have on the, um, I'm gonna have her on the podcast coming up here. Um, we talked about, she's from Pearl AI. And I know that, I know that Pearl AI is, is, uh, one of the AIs that, that people are talking about, you know? So my friend, Josh Solomon, who I just had on the,

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_00] the very dental podcast basically referred me over to talk with, with, uh, Sheila from Pearl. And I got to Pearl has a Pearl is an AI that has, I think that the first thing you knew about Pearl was that they have the second opinion, uh, imaging stuff. So basically they, they help you. It can show you stuff on your radiographs that you might've missed. I supposedly it can do some image stuff too. So if you have like intraoral images or something like that, but at this point it's mostly

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_00] radiography and, and it can, I'm not sure if it's more important that it shows me things on the x-ray that I may or may not have missed, or it just makes it very clear for patients to see what I'm seeing on the x-rays, but either way, I think there's something to that. And I know there's probably people listening to this right now. They go, of course there is. I've been using this for a while on, you know, and there's different software. Pearl isn't the only one out there, but what's

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_00] interesting with Pearl is that they also have, they have other parts of it in Pearl voice and clinical notes basically allows you to have a microphone attached to the computer that's in your operatory that records ambient everything in that operatory. So what's beautiful about that is it, and it connects directly into your software, in my case, Dentrix. So it records it and makes your

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_00] note kind of without you having to do anything. Then you just go into Dentrix, you check the note and you go, boom, there we are. So what I'm saying is, and I'm sure you're going to pay more for Pearl than I'm paying for Heidi Health. I'm sure that it's significantly more. However, when you start adding up all the stuff you're paying for monthly with these things, all of a sudden, I don't know, maybe it makes sense to have this because I'm saying if you have this exceptional bulletproof chart note, and you get to show your patients these x-rays, and it'll do voice charting for Perio, and it'll,

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_00] it's like, and it does all these things. All of a sudden you're like, man, it's 1100 bucks a month, I think is, is what they charge for the, for the overall, like the, all of their services. But I'm going to talk with her on the podcast and you can decide if you think it's worth it. I'm thinking it might be worth it. I haven't used it yet. I don't, I don't know what it's going to look like. And I don't know when I'm going to add it because already I've, I'm already paying for so many of these damn things. But, but what I'm saying is I think AI is going nowhere. I think AI is going

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_00] to be a big deal in dentistry. I think these functionalities are where AI does really, really well. In other words, it's using the data that you're generating with your conversation with your patient. So it's not going to make stuff up. People talk about, I don't want, I don't want it to hallucinate stuff. Well, it literally takes from the recording that you make. So it's not like it's having to make stuff up. It's literally taking a recording of your, your interaction in the

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_00] operatory and it creates this note, which is, I'm telling you, Heidi Health does Freed. They all do this very well. The problem is any, any of these, I'm thinking any of these that are going to be really useful and are going to make the grade have to be built into your operatory, not built into your workflow, but built into your operatory. So if you, and the other thing is, is that if they charge

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_00] per operatory per operator, that's going to cost. But it sounds to me from what I can tell, this Pearl AI charges one fee and you've got as many operatories, you've got as many places recording as you want. So there, I mean, these are all things you have to look for. I feel like, yes, I would like to have the very best chart notes that I can possibly have with little effort. I think that's a great idea. And honestly, I think that might be worth paying for. There's a lot of technologies that have a hard

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_00] time. This technology would probably pay for itself as long as you used it. And what I'm saying is this particular version of AI, I feel like would work. It would do all the things that I like about the AI charting, but it also makes it so you don't have to do the cut and paste and you have to, you don't have to do any more work. It's going to do it right in the chart. I'm very interested in this. I haven't done it yet. Just talking about it. And like I said, I just had a conversation with my friend

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_00] Sheila over at Pearl. I think I'm going to have her on the show in the next little while. We're If I get a chance to demo it, I'll definitely do a recording on it and tell you about it. I'm excited about it. I think I'm not an AI doomer. I'm cautious about it, but I have had enough chance to use some of it to know there's a lot of really good uses of this stuff that we can use in our industry and honestly, like in podcasting and stuff like that. But what's so funny is there are so many

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_00] of them out there and they're sort of being pruned a little bit in my life because so many of them have overlapping things that they can do. So I guess that's my point about there's a lot of dueling AIs out there. I'm curious to hear what and how you guys are using AI. So I always say, go to the Very Dental Facebook group. Let's talk about it. But I'm not even kidding. I want to hear because I'm probably missing stuff. Every time I think of something that I might be able to use

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_00] with AI with, it always impresses me when I come up with this stuff. So I would love to know what you guys are doing in your life, in your practice, anything. What are things that you are doing that you think are interesting or what have you, whether it's recipes or going down the rabbit hole of books you might want to read or movies you haven't seen or whatever. I mean, I find it very impressive and useful, but I would love to hear what you guys are doing with it. And I also would love

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_00] to hear anyone who's using these, you know, Pearl AI or Overjet or anyone and what their feelings are. I started a thread last week about those and I got some decent, I got some decent interaction on that. But part of this is like, it's an evolving thing. So I'm wondering in five years, if they're just going to be one or two, like 800 pound gorillas in the area in the same way that like Dentrix and Eagle Soft were the standard forever. And it's just interesting. It's interesting how this is evolving.

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_00] It's interesting how we can, how we can save a little bit of money and not buy, well, or, or you can be like me and buy everything and spend like an idiot on this stuff. But the nice thing is, I know that by the time I'm going to re-up on some of these annual things, I won't be using them anymore and I'll cancel them. I hope I'll cancel them. They'd love it if I wouldn't, but I'm planning on it. Anyhow, I'd love to hear how you're doing it. Go to the Very Dental Facebook group. And if you are not a member, become a member, ask for an invite, and you can use one of many passwords. I'm going to throw the ones out. I can remember Timmerman, Lipscomb,

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_00] Gary, Papa Randy, Hornbrook, BioClear, Frank. There's so many of them. McQuethy. There's so many of them. Use any of them. Give me any and you'll, and I'll let you in. We'll have great conversations. I appreciate you guys listening to the show. Give me some feedback. If you love this, hate this. And like I said, if you don't love the monologues, just know that I will, I'll put some effort in the show notes so you can know what I'm talking about if you're interested. And then you don't have to listen to it if you don't want to. I don't want to give you stuff you don't want. But on the

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_00] other hand, just don't download if you don't like the monologue stuff. Thank you for listening very much. I appreciate you guys. And tell a friend, tell, tell, tell a good buddy from dental school that you might benefit, that they might benefit from the podcast. Tell them to download it. Let's become, become a member, a member. You don't even have to be a member. You just download it. That's the cool thing about podcasts. Podcasts are interesting because you only listen to them if you choose to. Try that out. Thanks for listening. We'll catch you next episode.