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[00:01:40] Allen me is a dentist with too much time on his hands and too much recording equipment in his

[00:01:44] basement. Armed with an obsession to bring entertaining and informative content to the dental world,

[00:01:50] in a way that's never been done before. I give you the Allen Mead Experience.

[00:01:58] Well, hello and welcome to another episode of the Allen Mead Experience. I am your host,

[00:02:03] Dr. Allen Mead. I'm a dentist, a podcaster, and a comic book enthusiast. Or at least I was.

[00:02:12] I got a little story about that for you. But first, I just want to tell you that I think if you're

[00:02:17] hearing this, when I think you're hearing this, I'm on spring break. I don't even know where I am.

[00:02:23] Actually, we might be in Indianapolis. We might be in Tennessee. We might be anywhere.

[00:02:28] I don't know where we are doing a second year of road trip to nowhere, where we're not exactly

[00:02:36] sure where we're going to end up. I lobbied to go back to North Carolina so I could see the ocean again.

[00:02:43] I was shot down on that. We're going to be having a good time. In the end of the case,

[00:02:49] I'm on my spring break week and so I recorded this a little early. It's funny because

[00:02:55] I long story short. I'm just going to start with this. I picture me your host, Allen Mead,

[00:03:06] as like a seventh or eighth grader. The year was 1984 to 85. Born in 1971, let's do the math.

[00:03:17] That's between 13 and 14 years old. Essentially, I'm the same age as my youngest son is right now.

[00:03:24] That's how I want you to picture me. Marvel comic books were a big part of my life. To be

[00:03:32] perfectly frank, I was a big spider man guy. I was okay with DC stuff. It was a little bit into

[00:03:38] Batman. Mostly, I was into Spider-Man and then a little after that came the X-Men and any

[00:03:45] Avengers. I was pretty late on the Avengers. I didn't think much of Hulk. I didn't think much

[00:03:51] of Thor at the time. This was long before there were movies where people were lining up to see

[00:03:59] the stuff and theaters and stuff. The main character that I came into when I was a kid was Spider-Man.

[00:04:06] My parents, I remember my parents had to decide if it was okay that I was reading Spider-Man comic books

[00:04:13] when I was little because it was better than not reading, I guess. I was really into Spider-Man.

[00:04:19] I thought he's the greatest thing ever. I collected comic books a little bit. It's kind of funny.

[00:04:27] For the longest time, there was a comic book title called The Marvel Team Up. It was like

[00:04:31] putting two characters together that weren't normally together. What it actually should have been

[00:04:35] called is Spider-Man and someone else because it was on Marvel Team Up for years on end was Spider-Man

[00:04:41] teaming up with someone else. It was like having another Spider-Man title. My best friend

[00:04:47] my best friend at that time, Clay Loveless. He and I, we were comic book nuts. We would go.

[00:04:52] We were always into it. I think he actually subscribed where he'd get comic books in the mail.

[00:04:56] I didn't do that. I basically would get him from the store in any case. I think April or March of

[00:05:05] 1984, a comic book title came out called The Marvel Secret Wars. I think I've heard rumors that

[00:05:17] they're going to do some kind of secret wars in the Marvel cinematic universe at some point.

[00:05:22] This was at the time, they didn't do a ton of big crossovers. The X-Men and the Avengers weren't

[00:05:31] in the same comic book very often, if ever. They're just separate worlds. The Marvel secret wars,

[00:05:41] basically, let me give you a silly very quick overview of secret wars. This new character

[00:05:49] that no one had ever heard of. He was basically an omnipotent, omniscient godlike character, the

[00:05:56] beyonder put together, grabbed a bunch of good guys, superheroes and bad guys, superheroes from

[00:06:04] Earth, assembled a battle world from pieces of all sorts of different other planets,

[00:06:10] tore them from the planet, put them together in one place and he was and then offered

[00:06:14] whoever wins can have their hearts desire. I can do anything and if you win, you get anything you

[00:06:20] want. All the big heroes were all on one team and it was Captain America and Iron Man and

[00:06:30] Spider-Man was there. The X-Men were there. All the Avengers were there. Oh, the Fantastic Four

[00:06:36] was there except for Sue's dorm. She was at home pregnant with their second kid and so Mr.

[00:06:43] Fantastic was all freaked out. There were lots of emotional, oh I can't believe we'll never

[00:06:47] get home and all this. So yeah, they hear us on one side. Then you had a bunch of the bad guys.

[00:06:51] They had Dr. Doom, of course, and they had, oh, they had the lizard. They had Dr. Octopus.

[00:06:57] They had some Spider-Man villains. They had some X-Men villains. They had the absorbing man.

[00:07:02] They had a bunch of Fantastic Four villains, Kang the Conqueror. They had a whole bunch of them.

[00:07:05] And so the idea was to put them on this planet and let them fight. I'm sure that the idea was for

[00:07:11] Marvel comics was take everyone, all the characters that everyone loves and then make them fight

[00:07:19] on teams against all the bad guys that everyone loves and the concept was, I mean at the time,

[00:07:26] I just thought it was the coolest thing ever. I'm like, oh, I got it. And the other thing is it came

[00:07:30] out. It was a 12 episode run. So it was for an entire year, I would like wait for the next

[00:07:36] episode to come out. And it was just so it's just really exciting year of comic books for me.

[00:07:41] It's the first time I was thinking to myself, I should get these and preserve them because they're

[00:07:47] going to be worth something as originals. They'll be worth something because I have to tell you,

[00:07:51] I was the kid who got comic books and I read them like I was not the collector who would like keep

[00:07:58] them pristine in which is the only way to do it. The reality is, if you were smart as a comic book

[00:08:03] collector back then the trick would have been buy one you're going to read and then buy one that

[00:08:07] you're going to put a cardboard like thing behind and put it in a plastic bag and never open it

[00:08:12] forever and keep it in mint condition. Much like Star Wars figures and stuff became later.

[00:08:18] You know, if you don't take them out of the box or worth a lot more, that's not the way I was.

[00:08:21] I was, I'm going to read this. They haven't read a bunch of times.

[00:08:24] So unfortunately, I didn't keep those. Interestingly, a similar time if I'm not mistaken and I'm

[00:08:31] going to go check this on Google right now. All right, similar time, similar time, not the exact

[00:08:36] same time but a similar time. The original Watchman comic books came out in September of 1986.

[00:08:43] So like a year or so after the and probably I'd learned my lesson by like not having mint condition

[00:08:52] secret war comic books, I started. I bought the first four or five Watchmen and never even read them

[00:08:58] just put them in bags and kind of kept them in mint condition. And then later they might have

[00:09:02] been worse something as originals but I gave them to a cousin who was younger than me and I never

[00:09:07] even know what happened to him. So I'm a dummy when it comes to this stuff in any case.

[00:09:12] So I bought him because I like to read the comics. I was all into that.

[00:09:18] So as it turns out, you know, like for an entire year I'm keeping up on the stories. And of course

[00:09:24] you know one minute the bad guys are kicking the good guys and one minute the good guys are kicking

[00:09:29] the bad guys. And then Dr. Doom goes and steals all the beyonders power and becomes the most powerful

[00:09:36] thing in the universe and attacks the heroes and kills all of them and then somehow brings them

[00:09:41] back to life and the beyonder comes back and steals his power back. I'm not giving any way this was

[00:09:46] like I said, this was cutting edge circa 1985. So if you haven't heard it before, sorry,

[00:09:52] it's been out for a while anyhow. So what I remember is the joy of collecting these in literally

[00:09:57] the anxiety not anxieties just the anticipation of collecting the next episode, the next issue.

[00:10:05] And what's so cool is I mean, if you remember crack, these are not expensive comic books. They

[00:10:08] were I didn't know if they were buck, you know, they were it was in the 80s man, it was not an

[00:10:12] expensive thing anyhow. So that was awesome for a you know, a 13, 14 year old kid who liked comic

[00:10:18] books. And I remember just thinking the story was just the greatest thing ever and and you know,

[00:10:23] like it was just the pinnacle of comic books. And so I went to Wikipedia and just kind of looked

[00:10:31] it up to find out what the dates were when I was going to talk to you guys and what's really funny

[00:10:34] is they say something in the effect of well, I mean, I'll get to that. I'll get to that. So

[00:10:39] I decided to go back and read the Marvel secret wars. I bought it as like a a kindle,

[00:10:47] you could buy it on Amazon get the whole thing is like eight bucks or 12 bucks. I don't know,

[00:10:51] it was a I'll put a link in the show notes but then you guys want to read it. I wouldn't recommend

[00:10:56] it. Let me just let me do let me just a spoiler alert. I wouldn't recommend it probably not whatever

[00:11:01] I paid for it. It was too much. It was perfectly honest of course. I don't have the original comic

[00:11:05] books but so I read and so I read the whole thing over a couple days on my iPad.

[00:11:11] And what's so funny is like, I remember the storyline now. I remember the I remember the art.

[00:11:17] I remember all of it. And I remember really liking it at the time and really being into it

[00:11:24] and thinking man, this is just that this is just the end all man. This is just the coolest thing ever.

[00:11:29] And I got to say it's terrible. It was a terrible story. It was a stupid story. The story was dumb.

[00:11:35] The characters were were one dimensional. The artwork was horrible. It was awful. Like the artwork.

[00:11:42] I mean, there's some comic artwork that's really good and this was remarkably bad. It was not

[00:11:47] good at all. And what's so funny about it is okay, I'll say this one one part that I loved

[00:11:55] was that at one point, Spider-Man took on the entire group of the X-Men and kick their ass.

[00:12:01] That was pretty sweet. And it just so happened that he was in the right place at the right time

[00:12:05] with the right attack and he kicked their ass and it was pretty great. Artwork was freaking horrible,

[00:12:10] but it was pretty great. In fact, Professor X had to wipe his memory because Spider-Man was going

[00:12:16] to rat on the X-Men because the X-Men were going to take off and do something separate. They were

[00:12:21] going to meet up with Magneto or something dumb like that. So that was the best part. Spider-Man

[00:12:26] kicked the X-Men's ass. But besides that, the story, stupid, juvenile artwork was horrible.

[00:12:32] They should have been embarrassed. The artwork was just terrible. And of course, I went to the...

[00:12:40] It was a crossover, right? So you knew it was going to sell like crazy because all the X-Men

[00:12:44] fans and all the Avengers fans don't Spider-Man fans and Iron Man fans all. They were all

[00:12:48] going to buy it because it was a huge crossover. It could not buy the thing. And that's what, according

[00:12:54] to Wikipedia, the Marvel people loved it because it sold crazy. It was like the biggest

[00:13:00] comic book sales event of all time and they admitted it was terrible. It's like, yeah, the story

[00:13:05] was awful. Art was crap. It was just terrible but it was sold like crazy. So this was in retrospect,

[00:13:11] not the 13 year old kid that was collecting them, but in retrospect, even the comic book people

[00:13:17] were super jaded about the thing. This was all about... This is a money grab. And so...

[00:13:22] And of course, the year after they had a secret wars too, I didn't get into secret wars too.

[00:13:27] I was done after secret wars, apparently. I guess that I did start collecting the watchman

[00:13:32] because I realized that the collector's value might be worse something but I think probably by

[00:13:36] that time comic books had sort of faded in my brain. But so I went back and with different

[00:13:43] eyes, I read the secret wars. And I remember being like this kind of big formative event. I just

[00:13:51] remember it being really good. And I just couldn't wait for the next issue to come out. I was all about

[00:13:56] it and it was terrible. It's just awful. It was really bad. And so what's so funny about that is like

[00:14:05] my eyes, the way I view things, the way I understand things so different now than it was when I was

[00:14:10] a 13 year old kid. Of course, it is. This is like 40 years ago for crying out loud. But

[00:14:15] what's interesting is prior to rereading it, I still kind of remember it being a warm spot in my

[00:14:22] childhood and that it was really held up. I will tell you this. All the TV shows... Okay so I grew...

[00:14:29] I was born in 1971, so I saw a lot of 70s TV when I was a kid. They did not have smartphones.

[00:14:36] They did not have Netflix. They did not have TV on demand. You watched TV when it was on TV.

[00:14:43] And it was on one of the main three stations. And I remember when I was a kid, man, I watched emergency

[00:14:49] one. It was basically like the first paramedic. It was like a very, very basic version of

[00:14:56] I don't know like ER or something like that. It was kind of like people in accidents and you had

[00:15:00] these two firemen paramedics and they brought them into the hospital and the hospital people

[00:15:05] put them out together. So like I thought this was just the most gripping, most amazing drama ever.

[00:15:11] And again, it's crap. It's absolute crap. It doesn't hold up at all.

[00:15:16] Frankly, a lot of the movies from the 70s when I was a kid really don't hold up either.

[00:15:21] It's just amazing to me how... You can like the movies in these comic books. You can like that

[00:15:29] stuff for the nostalgic fact. Like the nostalgia of going back and seeing these things when you're

[00:15:35] kid. I mean, Star Wars is a formative experience when I watch the original Star Wars,

[00:15:41] you know, the very first one with you know, Alex Guinness playing Obi-Wan Kenobi and stuff.

[00:15:47] It's not good. It's not like the acting is not good. The storyline is really slow.

[00:15:53] Like it's not great. I know there's people that would hate me for saying that but the reality

[00:15:56] doesn't hold up that well. Like the story lines have gotten a lot better over the years in the

[00:16:01] 70s. You didn't have much to compare to at the time. So like, you know, in all movies from the 70s

[00:16:07] and 80s, moves so slow. In the even worse, the 50s and 60s, they move so slow compared to what

[00:16:12] entertainment moves that right now. So why am I bringing this all up? The basically I'm saying

[00:16:19] looking back on the Marvel secret wars comic book series that in my memory,

[00:16:24] I remember it being such a positive and good thing. And I just remember it being the quality

[00:16:29] and all that stuff. And in looking back, I have completely different eyes. I've grown up.

[00:16:34] I appreciate different things more whatever but you know, I went back with the idea of an nostalgic look

[00:16:41] and it doesn't even come close to holding up. I'm seeing it with such different eyes.

[00:16:47] So why do I bring this up? Everyone has experienced something like this.

[00:16:52] I also have been a dentist since 1997. I bought my practice in 1998. So it's 2024. So you do

[00:17:02] the math. I've owned a practice for 26 years and I look back on what owning a practice was like

[00:17:10] when I was brand new at practice ownership. And I can look at that in an nostalgic way. Mind you,

[00:17:18] everyone knows my story. I was pretty messed up. I was in the throes of active addiction when I bought

[00:17:23] my practice. So I was not probably those memories are not as clear as I might even think they were.

[00:17:30] And I mean, I got no regrets for being able to get clean and being able to keep my practice

[00:17:35] throughout that whole thing. But the bottom line is like you look back on even 10 years ago or you

[00:17:40] know 20 years ago or 15 years ago and you look at your practice in a certain way. This is how you

[00:17:46] and then you have a chance to kind of look back and see talk to patients that you worked on or

[00:17:53] a classic thing or patients that have left. Okay, this is the classic one. I can remember when I first

[00:17:58] got my first bought my practice and I kind of was getting to know some of the patients in my

[00:18:04] office. And some of these people I just thought were the greatest they were so they you know

[00:18:08] they did treatment and they were in and these were people that I thought were you know going to be

[00:18:12] lifelong patients and it was really funny as I'm thinking to myself, it's been 15 years since

[00:18:18] those people left my practice. I don't even like they're the names are familiar and I sort of

[00:18:23] remember their faces. I don't really remember the dentistry that I did on them but at the time I

[00:18:26] thought they were just like the core of my practice. And who even knows when they left? Like my practice now

[00:18:34] is so different than it was back then. I do have it. Don't get me wrong. I have a ton of patients

[00:18:39] that have been here for the whole time. And those are the ones that are amazing. I love in fact

[00:18:46] I enjoy talking with them about when I was young and stupid probably more than I enjoyed the

[00:18:52] dentistry on them. I'll say this, I love seeing it when the dentistry is held up pretty well but

[00:18:56] you know 26 years in the same practice. I'm redoing a lot of my own dentistry even even when

[00:19:01] it was done pretty well. I'm redoing some of you know in patients are you know when they've

[00:19:06] been with you that long. Man, you know you got a crown that's been if you tell them they need

[00:19:10] to replace a crown that you did 20 years ago. You know what? I don't feel that horrible about 20

[00:19:16] years. I mean yeah most people think everything should last forever. I get it but the reality is I

[00:19:21] got some patients that even are okay with the 20 year thing and you can kind of honestly sometimes

[00:19:27] remember the situation when I was doing this crown in the first place that blows my mind but in any

[00:19:32] case your practice now, my practice now the way that I'm practicing now is so different than it was

[00:19:40] 15 20 years ago. It's almost unrecognizably different when you think about the fact that the

[00:19:47] internet is the way it is now versus the way it was then in the same way that you know I bought

[00:19:54] the entire series of the Marvel secret wars for you know and was able to download it in a blink of

[00:20:00] an eye to read the entire series and that was a that was a years long comic book series that I

[00:20:04] was like like just the reference point is insane. So what I'm saying is that this is a predictable

[00:20:13] phenomena. You know that nothing's going to be the same even in five years as it is now like everything

[00:20:22] is going to be different whether it's different patients maybe you'll be in a different office

[00:20:25] maybe you'll be in a different situation shoot maybe you'll wake up one morning and decide you

[00:20:29] want to be a prostitutist and you go back to school maybe wake up this you know one morning

[00:20:34] and you decide that's it I'm done with dentistry. I'm not going to do this anymore. I'm going to go

[00:20:37] back and be a science teacher something like that. I don't know but the reality is like

[00:20:43] it's a trip to look back with at your life or at your situation or something with different eyes

[00:20:53] and the one thing you can be sure of is that you will have different eyes. It just happens when

[00:20:59] you live your life stuff happens that way you see things differently and I just I really thought

[00:21:05] it was an interesting reflection to look back at something that I held with so much value to

[00:21:11] realize how different it was than I remembered it and it's worth remembering for yourself that

[00:21:18] you're a different person though then you were 10 years ago 15 years ago 20 years ago

[00:21:24] and what you're doing is your job or your gig or whatever it's very different. I mean imagine this

[00:21:30] I started this podcast in June of 2014 so we're about three months away from me having

[00:21:36] podcasted for 10 years and when I listen to episodes from the early on which I'm going to play some

[00:21:43] two I think I got half a mind to start a whole other basically start the podcast right from

[00:21:50] dental hacks one and just play them because it's such a bizarre first off like the very first

[00:21:58] episode we did was with Lance Timberman talking about I think we were talking about sleep apnea.

[00:22:05] It was the first one either the first one was Botox or the first one was sleep apnea and at the time

[00:22:11] the concept to me could not have been any weirder I had never heard anything about it Jason

[00:22:15] was convinced it was going to be the coolest thing ever I'd never heard anything about it and so

[00:22:20] it was all brand new to me and I listened to that podcast now having literally I mean I've interviewed

[00:22:26] so many people in the sleep apnea business you know or or or or or in now it's airway right when

[00:22:31] they were talking we were talking sleep apnea and in the solution was making a plastic mouthpieces and

[00:22:38] that's one of the treatments that's offered quite often now but the reality is like how many times

[00:22:42] have I talked to Jeff Rouse about airway in orthodontics and prosodonics and I was like even in 10 years

[00:22:49] worth what I understand about the topics we're talking about is so different you know 10 years ago

[00:22:57] you couldn't get a CBCT in the state of Michigan unless you had a certificate of need and so

[00:23:03] basically dentists had to go through a ton of paperwork and spend a bunch of money just get the

[00:23:07] paperwork through in order to buy a CBCT so no dentists or almost no dentists in the state of

[00:23:13] Michigan had a CBCT if you can imagine that was less than 10 years ago and now of course it's

[00:23:19] considered standard to care for implant dentistry pretty darn close so I mean like

[00:23:24] to stuff changes so quickly and it's worth taking a little time to understand how your eyes are

[00:23:35] different now than they were five years ago 10 years ago really is because one of the nice things

[00:23:40] about this is to see how far you've come to see some of the some of the stuff that you've let go

[00:23:47] of that maybe you at the time didn't think you'd ever let go of you know shoot I mean okay so I

[00:23:58] see 20 22 and a half years ago I was I was still taking drugs drinking and doing stuff like

[00:24:05] that in a horrible way I was able to let that go like that's I have very different eyes now

[00:24:11] I mean that's a super valuable thing but at the time when I first went into treatment I didn't

[00:24:16] know it was gonna happen I didn't I couldn't picture 22 years later I'd be talking about it openly

[00:24:21] into a podcast that thousands of people listen to I like I definitely didn't imagine that

[00:24:28] uh you know I was hoping that I'd be able to practice dentistry I think at the time like I was

[00:24:34] hoping I'd be able to get back and be able to do the work that I was trained to do in you know

[00:24:42] and not be in any more trouble than I was that was I was that's what I was hoping you know 22

[00:24:47] years later it's it's been a pretty interesting ride to say the truth I have lots to say about that

[00:24:51] but but the realities I think sometimes we get so stuck in where we are right at this moment

[00:24:57] that we sort of don't we sort of can't appreciate that we have new eyes and that we can look at

[00:25:04] things differently and that we're doing things differently I mean uh back in you know early 2020

[00:25:09] who would have imagined the whole COVID pandemic and how that was going and then during the COVID

[00:25:14] pandemic who would have imagined how we would look back on it and see things now it's just worth I

[00:25:20] guess my whole point about this starting with the Marvel secret words and moving up to this is

[00:25:25] reflection is reflection it's not great to stay in your history it's not great to stay in the past

[00:25:32] but it is not horrible to reflect upon where you were and where you've come

[00:25:37] and how you see things differently now then you did and frankly if you can understand

[00:25:42] how you see different things differently now it's worth writing that down to remember because

[00:25:47] it's not easy to remember when you're in the middle of your day and you've got you know

[00:25:51] you've got three two things on the schedule and you're behind and you've got you know two hygiene

[00:25:55] checks and you're you're drowning and it's not easy to remember how far you've come or how

[00:26:00] how different things look now than they were five or ten years ago uh when you're when you're

[00:26:04] drowning in your everyday stuff so it's worth writing that stuff down remembering you know what's good

[00:26:10] what's bad what what what's changed for the better and what's maybe changed for the worst and

[00:26:14] what you might be able to hope for in five years to look back on is differently so uh Marvel secret

[00:26:22] words has not gotten any better but I will bet you in the next five years or so there's going to be

[00:26:27] some kind of a secret wars in the Marvel cinematic universe because frankly they can't help but exploit

[00:26:34] their past successes and no matter how bad the actual comic book was the comic book series it's

[00:26:40] sold like crazy that's what they said it was a cynical money ploy and uh like I said doesn't hold

[00:26:46] up very well but I still I still have fond memories of uh hanging out in my best friends bedroom

[00:26:53] both of us having bought the most recent copy and reading it together just so we could catch up on

[00:26:58] on what was going on with our favorite heroes oh my god the story was so bad but I don't know I

[00:27:03] still have some fondness for the time of what it happened so all right you guys I appreciate you

[00:27:07] guys listening I know that's it was a weird story but it was something that guy as I was driving

[00:27:12] I'm like you know it's a terrible comic book but I remember it being so differently so I'm I

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