Very Clinical: A Podcast About Podcasts with Dr. Tim Anderson

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[00:00:16] Welcome to The Very Clinical Podcast.

[00:00:19] In about the time it takes to do an MO on three, we will entertain and amaze you

[00:00:23] with tips and tricks on regular daily dentistry.

[00:00:26] Here's Kevin and Zach.

[00:00:28] What is up Very Clinical listeners and welcome back to yet another episode

[00:00:32] of The Very Clinical Podcast.

[00:00:33] I'm Zach Miners coming to you from Kansas City, home of the

[00:00:37] Super Bowl 58 champion Chiefs.

[00:00:40] Yeah.

[00:00:40] Yay, Zach.

[00:00:42] Way to go.

[00:00:43] With me as always my trusty co-host Dr.

[00:00:45] Kevin Herefreier, home of the Cleveland Browns who had the coach of the year.

[00:00:50] We had a lot of of the years, but we did not have the year.

[00:00:54] Yeah.

[00:00:54] So congrats on the Super Bowl win.

[00:00:56] You had a lot to do with it, Zach.

[00:00:58] I did.

[00:00:58] I did have a lot to do with it.

[00:01:00] So, you know, I...

[00:01:01] They call on you for advice.

[00:01:03] I gave Pat a few, a few pregame tips.

[00:01:06] I sent him a DM on Twitter with some advice.

[00:01:09] I think he took it.

[00:01:10] I'm pretty sure he took it.

[00:01:10] Well, it worked because they won.

[00:01:13] So congratulations.

[00:01:14] You've got a regular old dynasty happening over there.

[00:01:17] Love it.

[00:01:17] I love it.

[00:01:18] Let's let's get some more.

[00:01:19] So Kevin introduced our guest of the day here.

[00:01:22] We have a repeat guest, Dr.

[00:01:25] Tim Anderson from...

[00:01:27] Wait, does our podcast signal reach all the way up north to North Dakota?

[00:01:33] You got to do me like that.

[00:01:34] You know, just because we don't have a football team or a baseball team or a

[00:01:38] soccer team or a hockey team, or really any team doesn't mean you got to throw

[00:01:44] North Dakota, North Dakota under the bus.

[00:01:45] But yeah, we do get, we, we, we have electricity.

[00:01:48] It's, you know, do you have sunlight there in the winter?

[00:01:52] It's like 24 hours of sunlight.

[00:01:53] We don't actually right now it's all dark.

[00:01:55] It's constantly dark, but no.

[00:01:56] Yeah.

[00:01:57] Coming to you all the way from Bismarck, North Dakota.

[00:01:59] All right.

[00:02:00] Well, welcome Tim.

[00:02:01] We're going to have some lovely interactions with you in just a few minutes, but we

[00:02:05] have to talk since Zach started talking about his lovely chiefs who won the Super Bowl.

[00:02:12] And you know, we can not talk about Taylor Swift for a while.

[00:02:17] Please no.

[00:02:18] Yeah.

[00:02:18] So let's not do that.

[00:02:19] Let's talk about, let's talk more about sports.

[00:02:22] So I, I venture to guess that all three of us either attempted to or succeeded in some

[00:02:32] sort of high school athletics.

[00:02:34] So we're, we're going to go around the horn, but we're going to go to Tim last.

[00:02:36] So I'm going to talk about my failed high school slash middle school athletic career.

[00:02:45] Like I, like most boys I love sports.

[00:02:50] I had a great neighborhood growing up.

[00:02:53] One of my friends growing up played minor league baseball for the San Diego Padres.

[00:03:00] His brother was also one of the best athletes I've ever seen.

[00:03:05] Like all around athletes also played college baseball for Las Vegas or yeah, for Las Vegas.

[00:03:15] UNLV.

[00:03:15] Okay.

[00:03:16] Yeah.

[00:03:16] UNLV.

[00:03:17] So I was surrounded by the, I didn't know it at the time, but like they were way better

[00:03:24] than we were at, at a lot of things.

[00:03:26] And, you know, just grew up playing baseball in the summer, basketball in the

[00:03:31] fall and football, you know, also in the fall.

[00:03:35] And so, you know, when it came time for middle school and high school, like I'm

[00:03:40] all for it and, you know, I am not the biggest guy in the world, so there was no

[00:03:45] way I was ever going to play football.

[00:03:47] That wasn't going to happen for me, but I really liked basketball and, you know, I

[00:03:51] could beat my sister at horse routinely.

[00:03:55] So I figured I would just go out for the basketball team.

[00:03:57] What I didn't realize is that basketball requires a lot of running, obviously.

[00:04:03] Yup.

[00:04:03] And you do a lot of that running work before you even touch a basketball.

[00:04:07] So I tried out for middle school basketball, completely out of shape.

[00:04:12] I guess I got into shape, but didn't make the A team.

[00:04:15] I was on the B team.

[00:04:17] You'd have these really crappy B team games where no one really knew what

[00:04:23] they were doing because they put all their effort into the A team.

[00:04:26] And, you know, I was never going to be six foot eight or six foot nine.

[00:04:32] It was never going to be a, it was just a failure from the beginning.

[00:04:35] And I think I played seventh and eighth grade basketball.

[00:04:40] And then that was the end of that because I wasn't fast.

[00:04:44] I wasn't good.

[00:04:45] And then I did try out for the ninth grade baseball team and the

[00:04:50] humiliation of getting cut was something and having to walk home because the

[00:04:56] cut happened over essentially spring break.

[00:04:59] And my mom didn't drive and my dad was, you know, at work 45 minutes away.

[00:05:03] So I had to walk home with this cloud hanging over my head.

[00:05:06] I loved baseball, but I didn't love it enough to be able to make the team.

[00:05:10] So a failure in sports, but, uh, uh, very successful in love.

[00:05:17] There you go.

[00:05:17] We still love the game.

[00:05:19] Yes.

[00:05:19] That's right.

[00:05:20] All right, Zach, tell us about how you, uh, got a bunch of trophies.

[00:05:25] I did not get any trophies.

[00:05:26] I am short and unathletic.

[00:05:31] And, but I thought I really wanted to be a place kicker for the, for the football

[00:05:37] team.

[00:05:37] And I would go with my dad and we'd kick extra point after extra, you know, just,

[00:05:43] I, and I got to the point where I was pretty good, but I'd never taken a class

[00:05:47] or a, or a, um, you know, a clinic or anything like that.

[00:05:51] I was kicking it all wrong, but I thought I was pretty good at it, but you couldn't

[00:05:56] try out for the football team as just a kicker.

[00:05:58] You had to like pick a position.

[00:06:00] I was like, I don't, I don't really want to do anything else, but I tried and.

[00:06:05] You know, it's all fun and games that you get blasted in the face, you know, in

[00:06:09] tackling drills and stuff like that.

[00:06:11] It went really badly for me because I could neither kick nor play any of the

[00:06:14] positions.

[00:06:16] They did not cut people, but I also, they did not play me either.

[00:06:19] It was humiliating.

[00:06:21] And, um, you know, I, uh, learned a lesson of, of how good it takes to be a, even a

[00:06:28] high school athlete, let alone a college or pro.

[00:06:30] But now look at you giving Pat Mahomes advice.

[00:06:33] By the way, I know.

[00:06:34] Yes.

[00:06:35] Yeah, sure.

[00:06:36] Yes.

[00:06:36] And you use your brains.

[00:06:38] Yep.

[00:06:39] All right, Tim, tell us about your glory.

[00:06:41] Oh man.

[00:06:43] I didn't realize the whole podcast was going to be about this.

[00:06:45] Uh, no, you know, what's interesting is that sports, um, were a critical component

[00:06:52] to like my overall wellbeing as a, as a kid.

[00:06:55] So I grew up moving a lot, like five schools in five years, like every three

[00:07:01] years, it was a new state.

[00:07:02] My dad was in the oil industry, so we moved around a lot.

[00:07:05] Um, and you know, my parents are from North Dakota, but we were living all over

[00:07:09] the Midwest and they got me into hockey, um, relatively well in this day and age

[00:07:16] late in life.

[00:07:16] But, um, at that time I thought I was, you know, young eight years old and hockey.

[00:07:21] I found out I kind of excelled at it.

[00:07:23] Um, but more importantly, it gave me something to focus on.

[00:07:26] And so every place we moved, it was like the easiest way to meet friends.

[00:07:30] Like I'm a, I'm an introvert at heart.

[00:07:32] I work hard.

[00:07:34] I, I very task oriented, but, um, in a social environment that was not my strong

[00:07:39] suit.

[00:07:39] So going to a new school, new kids, um, the easiest way to make friends was sports

[00:07:44] teams.

[00:07:44] And so hockey soon became part of my identity, which actually became kind of a,

[00:07:49] an issue later in life.

[00:07:51] Um, as it became so much of my identity, like through high school, it became, you

[00:07:55] know, you get down to high school and now I'm like, okay, now what?

[00:07:58] Um, and it was, it's tough because you know, kid, there's a lot of pressures for

[00:08:03] kids at that age in general.

[00:08:05] Um, you know, you guys have kids similar ages and, um, when you're trying to

[00:08:09] figure out what's that next step in life, are you ready for college?

[00:08:11] Do you want to go to college?

[00:08:12] You know, are you ready to give up sports?

[00:08:14] And the pro the hard part I was having is a lot of my, like my two linemates that I

[00:08:18] grew up playing hockey with ended up playing in the NHL.

[00:08:21] And so there was a big part of my identity.

[00:08:24] It was like, am I a failure for not trying?

[00:08:26] And so much so I went to school.

[00:08:28] So I went to Minnesota, um, just because I didn't want to go to the university

[00:08:32] of Minnesota or university of North Dakota, because that's where my buddies

[00:08:35] were playing hockey.

[00:08:37] And so I went there and was so lost not playing hockey.

[00:08:42] My, I got to join a sport.

[00:08:43] I got to do something cause I don't know what I'm gonna do with myself.

[00:08:46] And I have no idea why you guys, but somehow I got roped into joining the crew

[00:08:53] team.

[00:08:54] Now a guy from North Dakota crew is not something we see or do for those who

[00:09:00] don't know who is that is rowing.

[00:09:02] Uh, and I am five eight.

[00:09:05] So most people ask if I was the Coxen.

[00:09:08] No, I was not.

[00:09:09] Um, I actually rode in the boat.

[00:09:11] Um, and I didn't realize Minnesota actually had a really good rowing

[00:09:13] program club, rowing program.

[00:09:15] Um, and so that was a lot of fun my first years, but, uh, it became that struggle

[00:09:21] in college, even of trying to figure out my identity of like who I was, what

[00:09:23] I, what I was outside of sports.

[00:09:25] So, um, I don't consider sports a failure, but, um, It was, it was a,

[00:09:30] definitely a learning curve later in life.

[00:09:32] And so I went through a period of like not doing hockey, hating hockey.

[00:09:35] And then my kids were getting the hockey age and I'm like, I'll make

[00:09:38] them skate for a little bit.

[00:09:39] Um, but I didn't want to coach.

[00:09:41] And which is really interesting for me to be in the stands and have to watch

[00:09:47] hockey and then talk with the other dads that are coaching who never played hockey.

[00:09:51] Probably never.

[00:09:52] Yeah.

[00:09:52] Have no idea that I know anything about the game.

[00:09:54] Um, so it's a different dynamic, but ironically full circle, uh, my kids

[00:09:58] are an age where it's a lot of fun.

[00:09:59] They're both excelling in hockey.

[00:10:00] They love it.

[00:10:01] Um, I play more hockey now as an adult than I ever did growing up.

[00:10:04] So it came full circle.

[00:10:06] So there's a line in money ball.

[00:10:10] One day you play your last game, but you probably don't know it.

[00:10:13] That that's true.

[00:10:15] That's why I'm just keep playing.

[00:10:16] You're gonna have to like, at this point you're gonna have to like cart me off

[00:10:18] somewhere.

[00:10:19] I like it becomes an addiction.

[00:10:21] So love it.

[00:10:23] All right.

[00:10:24] Well, uh, Tim is here for another reason not to talk about, uh, that sounded

[00:10:28] like a glory days, like Bruce Springsteen or something.

[00:10:30] Right.

[00:10:31] Yeah.

[00:10:31] But, but anyway, uh, we're, we're here to talk about something else, Tim.

[00:10:35] You're starting a new podcast.

[00:10:37] So yay for Tim.

[00:10:39] You guys, you know, I went one episode with you guys and I'm like, I got to do

[00:10:43] more of this now.

[00:10:44] Now he's a junkie.

[00:10:45] Now I'm like, I couldn't, you guys wouldn't let me on every episode.

[00:10:48] So I got a, I decided we got to do our own thing.

[00:10:51] Break out.

[00:10:51] Wow.

[00:10:52] All right.

[00:10:52] So, uh, tell us about your new podcast.

[00:10:55] Tell them, tell us how it all started.

[00:10:56] Tell us what it's going to be.

[00:10:57] Give us the whole low down.

[00:10:59] Yeah, no.

[00:11:00] So, you know, for those who don't know me, um, I'm a general practitioner out of

[00:11:04] Bismarck, North Dakota and, um, have early on fell in love with digital dentistry

[00:11:10] and digital technology and, um, kind of just through willpower, just kind of

[00:11:16] connected myself with the right people and found out that dentistry is a really

[00:11:19] small world and you connect yourself with people and like-minded people.

[00:11:23] And, um, I got connected and fell in love with the 3d family, kind of like,

[00:11:27] like you, Kevin as well, and, um, have over the last couple of years taken

[00:11:32] over the 3d printing course, and then now kind of taken over the digital

[00:11:35] dentistry continuum.

[00:11:37] Um, and part of, you know, we've been brainstorming for a while about

[00:11:41] expanding, um, some of the 3d network in the reach of, of individuals that

[00:11:46] we could reach.

[00:11:47] And one of that was through a podcast network and which you see in a lot

[00:11:51] of different industries, dentistry, including, I mean, you guys are

[00:11:54] a perfect example of that part of a network.

[00:11:56] And, you know, Trune or T-bone, you know, approached me a while back

[00:12:00] about, you know, potentially doing a podcast of some sort.

[00:12:03] He's got his podcast, you know, or dentistry made simple and Sully

[00:12:07] had his podcast millennial dentist.

[00:12:09] And so they were looking for, you know, those are, you know,

[00:12:11] they're business minded.

[00:12:12] And then Sully's is kind of like random, whatever, um, that comes to his

[00:12:16] mind that day, or that's going on clinically.

[00:12:18] And we were looking for like different ways of voids in two areas that we

[00:12:22] really saw a need was a team focused podcast.

[00:12:26] Um, so something focused with, for the team members that, you know, could

[00:12:29] address certain issues, trends, and, and kind of support structure that way.

[00:12:33] But also, uh, a clinical based podcast focused more on the clinical side.

[00:12:37] I mean, T-bones was very focused on business.

[00:12:39] Sully's was kind of the life of dentistry and having another podcast.

[00:12:43] That's a little bit more focused on clinical aspects of dentistry trends,

[00:12:46] how to demystify, simplify dentistry, and really kind of empower people to do more.

[00:12:52] Um, we live in this world that's like, we just, we need to do more.

[00:12:55] Like I want everybody to win.

[00:12:57] Um, I try to surround myself by everybody, like you guys that like,

[00:13:00] we're just here to support others and like life's too short.

[00:13:03] We got to have fun doing it, support those, um, in a similar circle.

[00:13:07] So that's how the podcast kind of came to be.

[00:13:10] It's a clinical dentistry made simple with me.

[00:13:13] And it's a more of an interview style podcast that's focused on bringing

[00:13:17] different, different individuals from various aspects.

[00:13:20] And the reason I liked the clinical aspect of dentistry was

[00:13:22] that it's so all encompassing.

[00:13:24] You know, it's not just implants.

[00:13:25] It's not just business.

[00:13:26] It's not just sleep.

[00:13:27] It's not just, and no perio process.

[00:13:30] Like it, I love all aspects of dentistry and I'm intrigued by

[00:13:34] those that excel in different aspects.

[00:13:36] So it, it creates this cool environment to talk with people,

[00:13:41] to see what the trends are.

[00:13:43] Um, hopefully I can learn stuff.

[00:13:45] I mean, I'm always trying to learn things and honestly, just have a lot of fun.

[00:13:49] I mean, I love dentistry, but the clinical side of treating people

[00:13:54] is probably my least favorite.

[00:13:57] Um, I like more interacting with my colleagues and teaching and,

[00:14:01] um, talking dentistry and doing that.

[00:14:03] So that's how that kind of evolved.

[00:14:05] Um, we've got, you know, six, six episodes under our belt right now.

[00:14:08] Um, we'll be releasing it very shortly, um, probably within the month here.

[00:14:12] So we're super excited.

[00:14:14] It's been a huge labor of love.

[00:14:16] Um, I have a very newfound respect for you guys and the amount of work and

[00:14:21] dedication and time and energy that it takes to create a podcast.

[00:14:26] So, um, yeah, but it's been a ton of fun so far.

[00:14:30] Tim, are you on T-Bone's feed or are you, are you on your own separate

[00:14:36] feed that people will have to find?

[00:14:38] Or if you're already sub if you're subscribed to Dentistry Made Simple,

[00:14:42] are you on there?

[00:14:43] No, it is.

[00:14:44] It is as of right now, it's separate.

[00:14:45] It's like T-Bones is separate.

[00:14:47] I do.

[00:14:48] I would not be surprised if there is a little bit more of a similar landing

[00:14:52] page for the 3D Dentist Podcast Network, um, to come.

[00:14:56] But as of right now, it is an independent, you know, part of the bigger picture,

[00:15:01] but it's, it's just me running it.

[00:15:04] And, and, uh, we use the support structure through 3D Dentist to help from the

[00:15:09] logistic sides of collaborating and putting it all together.

[00:15:13] Yeah.

[00:15:13] So, um, you mentioned that it takes some energy and all that.

[00:15:18] Zach, how long have we been doing this for?

[00:15:20] Oh man, we started in, I think, I think 19, right?

[00:15:22] What did I say?

[00:15:23] 19?

[00:15:23] 18 or 19.

[00:15:24] Yeah.

[00:15:24] One, yes.

[00:15:26] One of those.

[00:15:26] Yeah.

[00:15:26] Yes.

[00:15:27] It's been so long.

[00:15:27] We don't even remember.

[00:15:29] Right.

[00:15:29] So, um, is there, is there any advice that we can impart to you since we were so

[00:15:36] knowledgeable about this?

[00:15:37] We may have been cut from our respective high school teams, but, uh, we've somehow

[00:15:42] managed to make this podcast last for six years or five years, whatever.

[00:15:47] Who's counting?

[00:15:48] That's right.

[00:15:50] What my, are you asking for me?

[00:15:51] Yeah, no, I'm asking Tim.

[00:15:53] Oh, you're asking Tim.

[00:15:54] Oh yeah.

[00:15:55] I, so you're asking for me for questions?

[00:15:58] Cause I have questions.

[00:15:59] Yeah.

[00:16:00] Yeah.

[00:16:00] Yeah.

[00:16:00] Well, you know, one of the things that I found, um, it's kind of like, it

[00:16:06] doesn't matter what the project is.

[00:16:07] It could be a podcast.

[00:16:08] It could be a new clinical skillset.

[00:16:10] It could be new, uh, like photography.

[00:16:12] It could be whatever it might be.

[00:16:13] What I find is really easy is the hype, the anticipation, the buildup,

[00:16:18] the like, yeah, let's do this.

[00:16:20] Um, what I see as a bigger kind of struggle from a dedication, not a

[00:16:26] dedication, but just from a logistical standpoint is continuing that work.

[00:16:31] You know, like you say, you're trying to like, it's a new year, right?

[00:16:33] Everybody's doing new year's resolutions and we're working out and we're doing

[00:16:36] new things and it's like, yeah, I'm super excited about this, but how do I make this?

[00:16:39] I have it.

[00:16:39] How do I continue to focus on that?

[00:16:41] So you guys have done a fantastic job over the years of continually putting out content.

[00:16:47] How do you stay motivated to develop new content without rehashing just the same

[00:16:56] stuff over and over or the same people over and over?

[00:17:00] You want to take that Zach or you want me to go first?

[00:17:02] Um, I'll tell you that.

[00:17:05] Um, you know, okay.

[00:17:08] So you're doing it, I guess this is the different you're doing it by yourself.

[00:17:11] I'll tell you what motivates me and you know, uh, Kevin is already, but, um,

[00:17:19] Kevin, Kevin, Kevin and Alan and I, we have a, we have an offline conversation

[00:17:23] about dental things and other, other stuff too.

[00:17:25] But like, I, I think what motivates me is that I talked to Kevin enough offline.

[00:17:32] We've got a lot of the same, like either sports we're talking about or shows

[00:17:35] we're watching that, like we come up with ideas of other stuff to talk about that.

[00:17:39] We've tried to fit it into a dental podcast, which is why we started talking

[00:17:42] about like sports tonight because it's like, uh, the bit of the first, like six

[00:17:46] minutes is like, that gets me excited.

[00:17:48] And then we'll pick a dental topic or someone that we like and go from there.

[00:17:51] And I, I guess the, just doing the show with Kevin or, or even when Alan

[00:17:56] chimes in, just hanging out with those guys, that's my, that's my

[00:17:59] motivation, you know, to keep doing it.

[00:18:01] Also you say rehashing the same people.

[00:18:04] I gotta be honest with you.

[00:18:05] I love having returned guests and, and, and, and like fleshing out things.

[00:18:11] More like more of the same topic or, you know, more of different, different

[00:18:16] aspects of a topic that you want to talk about so I, we can have the same.

[00:18:20] 10 to 12 guests almost every year.

[00:18:22] We have some, I think we have pretty sure we have some every year guests and I

[00:18:26] look forward to those cause it's almost like you're, it's almost

[00:18:28] like talking to a friend again.

[00:18:30] So don't, don't let that intimidate you.

[00:18:32] Don't let that intimidate you.

[00:18:33] And also you have to keep in mind when you're doing a show like this, that

[00:18:37] it's a weird blend of like appealing to someone who's probably never heard

[00:18:40] you before, or maybe he's only heard you once versus the people that

[00:18:43] have been a part every episode.

[00:18:45] And so, you know, so you're interviewing someone for the fifth time.

[00:18:49] There's a pretty good portion of your listenership.

[00:18:50] It's probably that's their first time hearing that person.

[00:18:53] You know?

[00:18:54] So that I guess those are some of the things that keep me motivated,

[00:18:58] but mostly cause Kevin's awesome.

[00:19:00] Kevin is awesome.

[00:19:01] Well, I would say what keeps me motivated is that, um, Zach and

[00:19:07] Ellen and I talk almost every day and something almost always comes up

[00:19:12] like some clinical problem or some, like, how do you do this?

[00:19:16] Or if we don't know how to do this, what guests can we have come

[00:19:20] on to help explain it to us?

[00:19:22] But, um, I could, I couldn't do this on my own.

[00:19:26] I couldn't do it without the friendship and support of Zach and Ellen and all

[00:19:31] of the sort of behind the scenes that things that happen, and I will, um,

[00:19:36] you know, add on to what Zach said about repeat guests.

[00:19:39] I think the best example is Aaron.

[00:19:41] We've had Aaron on Aaron Elliott on many times, but this very last time she said,

[00:19:46] I don't want to talk about sleep at all.

[00:19:49] And then we're like joking, like, Oh, you do other things?

[00:19:51] Like we know she does other things, but, um, so.

[00:19:56] Uh, I'm not afraid, like Zach said, to have people on because it, or repeat

[00:20:01] people on, because I, I do think it allows you to expand on things or just revisit

[00:20:06] things down the line a year or two later.

[00:20:09] And, um, you know, I think we're all pretty multidimensional in, in a lot

[00:20:15] of things and, and getting to know someone from that aspect or, or hearing

[00:20:19] their story or whatever their clinical tips are or whatever that is, is, um, is

[00:20:25] beneficial.

[00:20:26] The other thing I wanted to say though, is that, you know, I do think there are

[00:20:30] some times where, you know, we kind of do get in a rut a little bit, or what is

[00:20:35] the new thing out there?

[00:20:37] I mean, there's, like you said, there's periopros, implants, operative, you know,

[00:20:43] it's, it's not like there's 50 things.

[00:20:46] There's really a finite number of things.

[00:20:49] But I have found over the years that if we have different guests on, even if

[00:20:53] they're sort of the same topic, um, you get a little angle, a different angle on

[00:20:58] that and it's beneficial for our listeners and, and beneficial for us.

[00:21:03] And like it happened yesterday where we were, uh, texting in our group chat and

[00:21:09] I was like, stop, you know, this is a podcast.

[00:21:12] You know what, what we were, what we were discussing.

[00:21:14] Save it for the pod.

[00:21:15] Don't flush it out here.

[00:21:16] Just save it.

[00:21:17] Uh, cause we, we weren't really arguing.

[00:21:21] It was more like whatever lower level are you?

[00:21:27] And it sometimes doesn't come across right with just text words.

[00:21:31] You know, like if we were actually talking, I think also I was just got in

[00:21:36] the car and it was about to drive off.

[00:21:38] So I'm like, I'm just sip this off real quick.

[00:21:40] And if it sounds nasty or not, I didn't really mean it that way, but I do think

[00:21:45] it would make that particular topic, I think would make a great podcast and it

[00:21:50] had to do with prevention, which we don't really talk about that much, or maybe

[00:21:53] we've talked about a couple of times.

[00:21:55] So anyway,

[00:21:55] well, and I think that's what so many of the listeners really do enjoy about the

[00:22:00] culture and the dynamic between you guys is that you do.

[00:22:04] I mean, I'd been listening to you guys for, for years before doing that.

[00:22:07] And so it's funny how you kind of started to get to know somebody, even

[00:22:10] though you don't know somebody like Kevin, I felt like I knew you, but I didn't know

[00:22:13] you.

[00:22:14] I mean, we did, I know, right?

[00:22:16] We did sleep together.

[00:22:17] We in December we did, we did.

[00:22:20] Off.

[00:22:20] Well, that was technically on the record.

[00:22:22] Yeah.

[00:22:22] That did happen.

[00:22:23] Um, but it's one of those situations where I honestly think what's so

[00:22:29] appealing, especially in dentistry is that we are so isolated.

[00:22:33] Yes.

[00:22:34] That and nobody in our office gets it.

[00:22:37] Like I love my team and I love my spouse who's in my office, but nobody gets it

[00:22:43] like another dentist.

[00:22:44] And we don't really live in a, in a world where that's really easy for a lot of

[00:22:51] people to have open conversations.

[00:22:52] And that's why podcasts for me have been like such a, like a therapeutic fashion

[00:22:57] where it's like, I can sit there and kind of listen to other people who are kind of

[00:23:00] going through the similar things and have different issues.

[00:23:02] And, and I think that's why, like, I fell in love with like the whole round table

[00:23:05] concept that, you know, Ellen, you guys did years ago.

[00:23:08] Like that was very good at that.

[00:23:09] So awesome.

[00:23:10] Um, just because you get different perspectives on similar topics.

[00:23:13] I'm like, I can totally relate to that.

[00:23:15] And it's where the conversations go because it's, I feel like I'm a part of that.

[00:23:20] And, and I think for me, that's what's so appealing about podcasting in general, but

[00:23:24] more importantly, with regards to dentistry is that it allows a network and an outlet

[00:23:29] for individuals to realize they're not alone.

[00:23:33] Um, especially when topics come up that like, Hey, nobody wants to talk about

[00:23:37] because everybody's just showing highlight reels on Instagram or it becomes a little

[00:23:41] bit more real and you're like, okay, I can relate to that, whether it's mental

[00:23:43] health issues or whether it's team member issues or, or hiring and running your

[00:23:48] business, whatever it might be, um, or even just clinical dentistry.

[00:23:51] And, and I think that's the thing where I think you guys nail it really well is the

[00:23:57] dynamic of the realism, the authenticity.

[00:24:00] Um, and, and the, the bit as much as like, you guys have fun with it.

[00:24:05] That's kind of a big part of making you guys real.

[00:24:09] You're not just, uh,

[00:24:10] I appreciate that.

[00:24:12] I appreciate that you said authenticity, cause we've had this discussion numerous

[00:24:16] times.

[00:24:17] Um, that, you know, the, the old standby of, you know, people's Instagram life where,

[00:24:26] you know, they're only going to show you the highlights and that's not real.

[00:24:31] And I think any of us have been around a lot, long enough know that that's not

[00:24:35] real.

[00:24:36] And the authenticity, I mean, we've been tried, tried to be real open and honest

[00:24:41] about our failures and successes.

[00:24:44] And our failures.

[00:24:45] And, you know, so I just always wanted to make this real.

[00:24:52] And I think Zach as a podcast partner, he really helps that to happen for us.

[00:24:57] So I really do give you a lot of credit for that.

[00:25:00] Zach, I appreciate that you have a, you have a good knack for just keep, you know,

[00:25:05] helping, keeping everything real.

[00:25:06] I'll Zach, what, what brings, I'm happy to take it on the chin when I'm, you know,

[00:25:10] discuss the failures, you know,

[00:25:13] what brings you the most joy about podcasting?

[00:25:15] Okay.

[00:25:15] So what you said about the isolation part, that's so real.

[00:25:19] I think that unfortunately I think so many of us are almost less likely.

[00:25:26] And I know I'm one of them.

[00:25:28] I may not talk to the dentist across the street from me or that's down the hall,

[00:25:33] but like, I'm happy to get on and talk to you like you guys, you know?

[00:25:39] Um, I mean, if Kevin was in Kansas city, I am sure we, you know, get together for a

[00:25:44] coffee and having some of these conversations in person, but like, you know,

[00:25:47] I do, I think we're just less likely to do it, but we're more likely to connect

[00:25:51] with Facebook groups or podcasts.

[00:25:54] I mean, like I started listening to Alan and Jason and it was like, I almost felt

[00:25:58] like they were my friends in a way, even though I'd never spoke, of course, Alan's

[00:26:03] my friend now, but I mean, that, that was a process, you know, but I mean, just

[00:26:06] listening to them though, I was like, these are my guys.

[00:26:08] I relate to these guys.

[00:26:10] So, you know, in a way I hope someone's out there that relates to what we're,

[00:26:14] what we're doing and saying, you know?

[00:26:16] Here's what I think about that though.

[00:26:17] When you, if you met someone else, like the three of us here, I know what you

[00:26:22] guys went through in dental school.

[00:26:24] So I'm not going to compare that to like being war veterans or something like that,

[00:26:29] but it's a shade of that.

[00:26:31] It's a, you know, a 10th of that.

[00:26:32] I know what you went through and I know what you go through every day in your

[00:26:36] clinical practice and there's nobody else on earth that gets it like that.

[00:26:41] Just like, you know, I listened to a lot of Joe Rogan.

[00:26:44] He has a lot of comedians on those guys band together because they know how it is.

[00:26:49] They know what it is to bomb.

[00:26:50] We know what it's like for one of our clinical cases doesn't go good.

[00:26:54] They know what it's like to succeed.

[00:26:56] We know what that's like also.

[00:26:58] And all of the sort of, uh, ins and outs and intricacies of all that's happening.

[00:27:03] No one else is going to understand that, but us in this sort of tight circle.

[00:27:08] It's true.

[00:27:09] To your right teams, they, even though they're, they see it and they're with you,

[00:27:12] they don't get, I think what goes through your head in the same scenario, you know?

[00:27:17] So,

[00:27:18] Oh, I think it's hilarious.

[00:27:19] I mean, I'm pretty sure like, I mean, we try to tell my team like what, even what

[00:27:23] I do, I'm like, they have no idea.

[00:27:26] I mean, they just think I just do dentistry every day and, and, and that's,

[00:27:29] and that's great, but it's, I do think there's so many dentists out there now

[00:27:35] that, um, and I see it because, because of teaching that they're lost, like they,

[00:27:40] they, yes.

[00:27:41] They're looking for like, I do think 40, 50 years ago, dentistry was totally

[00:27:47] different.

[00:27:47] There was a lot more camaraderie there.

[00:27:48] The state associations were closer.

[00:27:51] People got together for study clubs differently.

[00:27:53] Like now I'm like, yeah, I had this conversation, you know, it was, it's been

[00:27:59] interesting in my own community because it's like, you know, I did a startup and

[00:28:03] that whole notion of like, when you're, when you're the little guy, everybody

[00:28:07] loves you.

[00:28:07] Right?

[00:28:08] Like everybody's supporting you.

[00:28:10] You get all the attaboys, like it's all this positive reinforcement.

[00:28:12] And then the moment you start actually succeeding, it, the dynamic changes.

[00:28:17] And we, at the end of the day, yeah, we're business owners and we're employers

[00:28:22] and we're family members, but at the end of the day, we're, we're humans with

[00:28:24] feelings and it wears on you.

[00:28:27] And that's why, like it kills me when I see so many people burning out and we're

[00:28:31] not talking like burnout, like I'm not any good at dentistry.

[00:28:33] We're talking like high level dentists that are great humans, good, fantastic

[00:28:39] clinicians that are just burnt out because they're by themselves on an island.

[00:28:44] And, and that's, so that's for me, I'm like podcasting is this great opportunity

[00:28:48] to connect with so many more people than I can through my courses and reach a

[00:28:54] greater audience.

[00:28:54] And it's, you don't know where those ripples.

[00:28:56] I mean, I kid you not, you guys, I would not be here doing this.

[00:29:01] Had it not been impactful by Alan Mead?

[00:29:04] Like, and I've talked to the guy like once, but it's one of those things.

[00:29:09] It's those kind of a jerk.

[00:29:10] I know such an ego.

[00:29:13] No, it's one of those things where the ripple effects, you really don't have an

[00:29:17] idea.

[00:29:18] Um, and that's why, like when you finally, like when you finally get to meet people

[00:29:23] in person.

[00:29:23] And I think that's why like VOD was such a big success, like where people actually

[00:29:26] get to meet each other.

[00:29:27] Cause it's similar, like-minded, um, fashion where like, that's such a driving

[00:29:32] factor for me.

[00:29:33] Um, and it gets me excited because I do feel like we're in this time of dentistry

[00:29:36] where it's like, this is such a fantastic time to be in dentistry.

[00:29:40] Um, but it also can be a very lonely time to be in dentistry.

[00:29:43] And so that's why we just got to get more people out there and communicating and

[00:29:47] connecting.

[00:29:48] But also what you said though, is there's a, there's a selfish part of it too.

[00:29:53] Like this, it's given me the opportunity to like have some people on and talk to

[00:29:57] some, some of which, you know, some of which, some of the guests of which Kevin

[00:30:00] scored, some of them, which, you know, I brought into like people that we would

[00:30:03] have never talked to otherwise that, that are awesome and have some awesome

[00:30:07] perspectives, you know?

[00:30:08] Like some of our heroes.

[00:30:09] Yeah.

[00:30:10] Yeah.

[00:30:10] So getting to get to talk to some of those, some of those people, it's like,

[00:30:14] I'm, like I said, I'm learning along with it.

[00:30:16] You know, it's not coming at the, we, I don't think Kevin, even though Kevin is

[00:30:21] an educator and has been for some time, I don't think either one of us come across,

[00:30:24] you know, come at this clinical podcast as we're the experts and this is what you

[00:30:29] should do.

[00:30:29] It is a, it is just a conversational nature.

[00:30:32] And even some of the guests, I mean, we've had, you know, uh, our good boy,

[00:30:36] Nate, Nate Lawson, he's always like, well, here's what I'm seeing on the research

[00:30:39] end, but what are you guys seeing on the clinical end?

[00:30:41] It's, it is a, it is a discussion.

[00:30:43] It is not like a, it's not a lecture.

[00:30:44] Yeah.

[00:30:45] And I always want to say like, this is a way it's not the way.

[00:30:48] Yes.

[00:30:48] Cause that would be super arrogant.

[00:30:51] Like this is a way, this is my, this is the way I do it.

[00:30:53] But that doesn't mean I do it.

[00:30:55] Yeah, sure.

[00:30:57] Sure.

[00:30:57] So anyway, that's, I agree with you on that, Tim.

[00:30:59] It's a good, it's a good way to just, it's a good way to learn yourself.

[00:31:02] I mean, I've gotten a ton out of ton personally out of doing this for sure.

[00:31:06] Probably more than most listeners.

[00:31:07] So how do you balance it?

[00:31:09] Balance it with your time?

[00:31:11] I mean, cause it, it is a time commitment.

[00:31:12] I mean, you guys are doing what a weekly podcast.

[00:31:15] Yeah.

[00:31:16] I, so here's, we're a little hampered this year because there's no VOD and we

[00:31:21] really, um, I think we did a great job of leveraging that for content for the

[00:31:28] past two or three years or whatever.

[00:31:31] And now, you know, cause it was easy to just grab people.

[00:31:34] Uh, Zach was great at coming up with, you know, five or 10 questions that

[00:31:38] we could just throw at everyone.

[00:31:39] And you know, we, you could get a lot, it was like a round table that lasted for

[00:31:43] months.

[00:31:44] I love, we kind of had an idea of doing that again.

[00:31:48] Um, but you know, it does, Tim, it does get tougher.

[00:31:54] Um, and I think you'll, you'll notice here and there that we, you know,

[00:31:58] Alan releases some, some legacy shows and the good, the good news about that

[00:32:02] is like I was saying earlier, not everyone has, there's, there's a new,

[00:32:06] there's a new person on your feed that that's a new episode to them or it's

[00:32:09] old enough that they've forgotten it.

[00:32:11] So, you know, don't think you have to, you know, pump out something every single

[00:32:16] week.

[00:32:17] The office reruns all the time.

[00:32:18] So we're just like Michael, just like that.

[00:32:25] All right.

[00:32:26] Well, that's, this was a wonderful discussion about a podcast about podcasts.

[00:32:32] Yeah.

[00:32:32] Very meta, very meta indeed.

[00:32:35] Uh, so Tim, um, does your podcast have a Instagram?

[00:32:40] We can link to a, um, website or anything like that yet or not quite yet.

[00:32:47] So it will be very shortly, but yeah, the, the key ways find is just through any of

[00:32:51] your podcasts, you know, through is looking up clinical dentistry made simple.

[00:32:57] Um, it'll be part of the three D dentist network.

[00:32:58] So three D dentist dot or three D dash dentist.com.

[00:33:01] Um, be well part of that.

[00:33:02] So pretty much anywhere you get your podcast, you should be able to just search

[00:33:06] that up, but we'll be putting out a lot more content, promoting it once that

[00:33:10] release date fully.

[00:33:13] So you guys heard it first.

[00:33:14] I would volunteer, uh, you know, if you need to guess sometime, uh, you can have

[00:33:18] that can I on, you might know some, you got to return the favor.

[00:33:20] You know, there you go.

[00:33:21] I like, I like where this is going for sure.

[00:33:24] I mean, I, but I do think that's a good thing about podcast community.

[00:33:27] We help each other out.

[00:33:28] We feed each other.

[00:33:29] Um, it's a feast mentality, non-famine mentality.

[00:33:32] So I would love to be on at some point.

[00:33:35] You'll let us know.

[00:33:36] Absolutely.

[00:33:37] Tim, we're going to, we're going to bring Tim back next week.

[00:33:39] Um, to talk about, uh, not just podcasts.

[00:33:42] We'll, we'll, we'll get into his mind.

[00:33:44] We'll talk a little bit.

[00:33:45] Yeah.

[00:33:46] We'll get some good stuff.

[00:33:47] We're going to challenge.

[00:33:47] I think we're gonna challenge Zach too.

[00:33:49] All right.

[00:33:51] This is how it always goes down.

[00:33:53] I accept it.

[00:33:54] I accept it.

[00:33:54] Kevin, any final thoughts?

[00:33:56] Take backs, double downs.

[00:33:57] I think we're all good.

[00:33:59] Go chiefs.

[00:34:01] Yes.

[00:34:03] All right.

[00:34:03] Thank you guys for listening and we will see you.

[00:34:05] Next Tuesday.

[00:34:06] Take care.