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[00:00:00] Welcome to The Very Clinical Podcast. In about the time it takes to do an M.O. on three, we

[00:00:22] will entertain and amaze you with tips and tricks on regular daily dentistry. Here's Kevin

[00:00:27] and Zach. What is up, very clinical listeners? Welcome back to yet another episode of The Very

[00:00:33] Clinical Podcast. I am Zach Miners coming to you from Kansas City, Moe with me as always

[00:00:38] my trusty co-host Dr. Kevin Hare, Friar Kevin. What's going on in Cleveland?

[00:00:44] Lots been happening this weekend. I know this is going to come out next week but Cleveland's

[00:00:49] been the center of the universe for this week. Why don't we just roll over to our special

[00:00:57] guest and we can rock on?

[00:01:00] If you're subscribed to this podcast feed, here's a pretty good chance you know our guests.

[00:01:06] Dr. Alan Mead, the pod father, what is up man?

[00:01:11] Greetings and salutations all. How are you guys?

[00:01:15] Not this guy again.

[00:01:16] Yeah.

[00:01:17] No, we keep getting him. He's the guest we can afford.

[00:01:21] He's the guest that no one wanted.

[00:01:24] Actually, that's not true as we will discuss.

[00:01:29] That's right.

[00:01:30] Yeah, so you guys have to press the flesh this week. Let's unpack that.

[00:01:37] It sounded slightly hotter than it actually was but it was pretty good.

[00:01:41] Yeah, so Alan why did you come to Cleveland this weekend and come to my house even?

[00:01:48] Well I was told that I was allowed to come to your house. That's why I came to your

[00:01:52] house.

[00:01:53] My wife decided that we had to go see the eclipse and honestly she sort of made the

[00:02:00] plans and it was last second. It was just like honestly it was like the Friday

[00:02:07] day or Thursday before the Monday of the eclipse. Basically a week ago right now she

[00:02:14] found there were like three hotel rooms in the Cleveland area.

[00:02:19] I honestly don't know how you guys found a room.

[00:02:22] Yeah, honestly.

[00:02:23] Probably from someone who canceled.

[00:02:25] Someone who canceled.

[00:02:26] I don't know if she called or she might have used one of the hotels.com or something

[00:02:32] like that. I don't think this room was normally as expensive as it was. We paid for it but

[00:02:38] Probably not.

[00:02:39] So she found one in well Mayfield Heights I believe or something like that.

[00:02:44] Mayfield Village.

[00:02:45] There's a village in the Heights.

[00:02:47] Okay, so we were it was a giant business park actually.

[00:02:51] It was just a bunch of like office buildings and then this hotel. It was fine.

[00:02:56] But then I so after you made this reservation I reached out.

[00:03:01] I told Kevin that we were coming to Cleveland and I didn't I didn't know anything about anything.

[00:03:05] I just was like well that's where the eclipse is and that's what we're doing so we're going

[00:03:08] to go see the eclipse.

[00:03:10] And then Kevin's like oh my gosh so Kevin, Kevin take it from there.

[00:03:15] Well Alan the hotel use data was like two miles from my office and also very close

[00:03:22] to my house.

[00:03:23] And then the other thing about this is that in 2017 when the previous eclipse went

[00:03:29] through the United States my sister and brother-in-law who lived in Baltimore

[00:03:33] traveled to South Carolina to watch it to watch the totality and on their way back

[00:03:38] they called or texted me and said what are you doing on April 8th 2024.

[00:03:44] That's the message I got strange that's a big day.

[00:03:46] Yeah, I don't I don't know weirdo.

[00:03:49] And they said the eclipse is coming.

[00:03:52] You're going to be in the path of totality and we're coming to Cleveland.

[00:03:56] And that was seven years ago.

[00:03:58] Yeah, wow.

[00:03:59] Anna and so you know they were totally into it.

[00:04:05] So we had decided for Christmas to our Christmas present to everyone was a book

[00:04:12] on the eclipse and an invitation to come to our house for that day and like a

[00:04:19] a mug and some other eclipse can only get these and a cannoli got stale.

[00:04:26] Some of those. Yeah, it's true.

[00:04:27] But so we had a ton of people come to our house.

[00:04:33] Most of my family came.

[00:04:35] My son came from Utah.

[00:04:37] My sister who lives nearby came.

[00:04:40] A lot of folks from Baltimore.

[00:04:42] Some high school friends came and the venerable Alan Mead came also.

[00:04:47] Also, you know, podcast listeners.

[00:04:50] My my mom is sick and you know, one of the things that she wanted to do

[00:04:56] was to come to this event very, very badly.

[00:05:00] And and she made it and yeah, had a great time.

[00:05:04] And so from from my perspective, if anyone's seeing the pictures

[00:05:10] on my Facebook page that shot of my whole family, almost all my family,

[00:05:14] not everyone, but almost everyone.

[00:05:17] I you know, it's been three days now or whatever it's been.

[00:05:20] I can't stop thinking about that whole day, that whole weekend.

[00:05:24] It was it was like a holiday without the Thanksgiving,

[00:05:29] Turkey or the Christmas presents or whatever.

[00:05:33] It was it was just fantastic.

[00:05:35] So Alan, what were what was your perspective?

[00:05:38] Well, I mean, I we got in.

[00:05:41] We didn't know when we were going to get in because for one thing,

[00:05:44] there had been new stories about ridiculous traffic from coming

[00:05:49] anywhere into the totality.

[00:05:52] Traffic to Cleveland was a piece of cake.

[00:05:54] It was easy.

[00:05:55] We got off kind of late, but but getting to Cleveland, we didn't run into anything.

[00:06:00] How far is that drive for you, Alan?

[00:06:02] I'm OK. That's a good question.

[00:06:05] With normal with normal traffic and everything like that,

[00:06:08] it's like it's like four hours and 15 minutes if that.

[00:06:11] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:06:15] But it wasn't bad at all.

[00:06:16] So we got to our hotel and we got settled in.

[00:06:18] I I I kind of got in touch with Kevin and we were we got there pretty late.

[00:06:23] I think we probably got to the hotel like nine or something like that.

[00:06:26] So I went I came over to Kevin's pretty late.

[00:06:28] He'd his family been there all day.

[00:06:30] And so I sort of I sort of came in last second.

[00:06:32] And it was pretty cool.

[00:06:33] I stayed for a while, actually, which is Kevin, you you have seen me

[00:06:38] past, you know, the hour of 10 p.m.

[00:06:41] No one sees me because I'm never awake that at that time.

[00:06:43] So it was sort of but interesting that I got to meet all of Kevin's family.

[00:06:47] I got to see Missy.

[00:06:48] I got to meet his dogs, which was probably really a real privilege.

[00:06:52] Both Ringo and Harry were lovely.

[00:06:55] And in all the video that you guys put up on Facebook was all sort of

[00:06:59] I saw it in person. It's pretty great.

[00:07:01] His dogs are pretty funny and their house is really cool for entertaining.

[00:07:05] And it was good time.

[00:07:07] So we actually stayed later than I ever would have expected.

[00:07:10] And then so went to the hotel, slept incredibly poorly.

[00:07:16] And then so it turns out Missy was Missy.

[00:07:20] Yeah, Missy was sponsoring some kind of a program.

[00:07:24] And what it's the farm park.

[00:07:26] But what is that? What's the farm park? The full name?

[00:07:28] So so Missy's Sylvan Learning Center has a partnership with Lake Farm Park

[00:07:33] in Kirtland, Ohio.

[00:07:34] And it's Lake County is what that is. That right?

[00:07:36] Lake County. Right.

[00:07:37] So we live in Lake County and the farm park is a working farm.

[00:07:42] Yeah. But it's also like an educational place.

[00:07:46] Yeah. So her she has a partnership with them with her Sylvan Learning Center.

[00:07:51] So back in October, when I, you know, again, this has been planned for seven years.

[00:08:01] Back in October, when they were picking out the events

[00:08:07] or she was picking out the events that she wanted to sponsor,

[00:08:09] she wanted that Eclipse event and got it.

[00:08:14] And at another event in October, when we were there for a pairing dinner,

[00:08:19] a fancy dinner that was there, I scouted out a place that we were going to be at.

[00:08:24] That's where we that's where we ended up.

[00:08:26] Yeah. To actually watch everything.

[00:08:29] So I didn't realize that it would have been scouted out in advance like that.

[00:08:32] But yeah, I was an advanced scouting party in October.

[00:08:36] But so, you know, that was another cool part of it.

[00:08:41] Missy was the sponsoring the whole thing.

[00:08:44] And, you know, what what were your impressions of the farm park?

[00:08:48] Oh, my gosh, is the coolest place ever.

[00:08:50] We wish that we'd, you know, we'd like to go back and see more.

[00:08:53] OK, so we have in my town, we have a place called the Chippewa Nature Center.

[00:08:59] And it's a big it's a really high end,

[00:09:02] well, community supported sort of lots of hiking trails and naturalists

[00:09:06] and in all that sort of thing.

[00:09:08] And basically the farm park was like a cross between the Nature Center

[00:09:11] and then like a Michigan State Agricultural Education Center.

[00:09:16] It was nuts. The place was insane.

[00:09:18] It had so much good stuff.

[00:09:19] But on top of that, you could I mean at the very core of it

[00:09:22] was a whole bunch of wonderful farm animals.

[00:09:25] I think I want cows now.

[00:09:27] Like I went into meat.

[00:09:28] I went into the dairy barn and like totally hung out with a bunch of dairy cows

[00:09:32] and met Elmer, the calf that was born at the end of March.

[00:09:35] And I mean, we have farm animals, so it's hard to impress me,

[00:09:38] but I still loved it. It was great place was awesome.

[00:09:40] I like I like the goats.

[00:09:42] Yeah, the goats were fantastic.

[00:09:44] I want to skip ahead to the actual eclipse.

[00:09:48] Yeah.

[00:09:49] I I can't stop thinking about it when when the total

[00:09:53] when the total eclipse happened and just seeing that visual

[00:09:57] and just how awestruck everyone was.

[00:10:00] Yeah.

[00:10:01] And, you know, I had I had this moment.

[00:10:04] I was I was standing about five feet away from my son, Charlie.

[00:10:08] And I was like, oh, wow, we kind of caught each other's glance.

[00:10:12] And I stepped a little closer to him and then he just hugged me.

[00:10:16] Like it was the most amazing thing. That's cool.

[00:10:18] You know, so I like these things in life or nature where

[00:10:24] like part of the reason I like going to the ocean is

[00:10:26] because it makes me feel small, small. Yeah.

[00:10:28] And and the things revolving around the cosmos

[00:10:33] and creating that natural, natural effect there.

[00:10:39] Again, it's one of those moments where you realize

[00:10:42] what your places in the world are in the universe, that is.

[00:10:46] And just standing there with my whole family.

[00:10:49] Again, I cannot get that whole three minutes out of my head.

[00:10:53] I wish it would have been 10 minutes.

[00:10:55] But the crazy thing is, is like if you've not seen in person

[00:11:01] a total eclipse, first off, you should definitely

[00:11:05] you should definitely go find go see one.

[00:11:06] Like we're already planning for Greenland 2026.

[00:11:11] We found like a like a cruise.

[00:11:13] Yeah, like like like there's some pretty cool stuff

[00:11:15] you can find and honestly it's worth it.

[00:11:17] But more than that, like you don't appreciate

[00:11:20] how dramatic it is because I had seen the 2017 one

[00:11:23] and it got a little dark.

[00:11:26] It's like what's really funny is like right, like, you know,

[00:11:29] three seconds before the totality, there's just a sliver of sun

[00:11:33] that you could see through the glasses.

[00:11:34] But like if you looked around, it was daylight.

[00:11:37] It was like nothing.

[00:11:37] And then it was like it was like someone turned to switch out.

[00:11:40] It was dark and cold and you could see the halo.

[00:11:43] It was nuts. It was like it wasn't like, oh, here it comes.

[00:11:47] It was like, it's coming.

[00:11:48] It's coming. It's coming.

[00:11:49] The boom is just like out of nowhere is crazy.

[00:11:51] I've never seen anything like it.

[00:11:52] And I mean, I think you can kind of see that in videos and stuff.

[00:11:55] But I don't I don't think you can appreciate it

[00:11:57] unless you see it in person.

[00:11:58] Like like there's really no describing it other than seeing it in person.

[00:12:02] So it is funny because I'm like I'm sort of driven to now.

[00:12:06] I'd like to see it again.

[00:12:07] I'd like to do it again.

[00:12:08] And I don't want to wait and I don't want to wait 20 years.

[00:12:10] I don't want to wait 20 hours, you know.

[00:12:13] So I might not be around.

[00:12:16] So the 2017 one passed right through Kansas City.

[00:12:19] Well, that's right.

[00:12:19] It was it was you did you see the totality then?

[00:12:22] So yes.

[00:12:23] So I got that experience you had.

[00:12:25] I don't think I was in the best spot.

[00:12:28] I think that technically if you would have driven like about an hour

[00:12:30] and a half north of Kansas City, you would have gotten the like best possible

[00:12:34] experience, but I got the what you're talking about turned dark, got cold.

[00:12:39] Some people shot off some fireworks around like it definitely changed.

[00:12:44] Whereas with this one, it was like we were at like the 90 percent.

[00:12:48] That barely feels like anything.

[00:12:50] Yeah.

[00:12:50] There's a big, big difference.

[00:12:52] Huge difference.

[00:12:53] Totality or you know, it's just a kind of a semi cool thing that's happening.

[00:12:59] Yeah.

[00:12:59] So yeah, totally.

[00:13:01] It's there is a there's a massive difference.

[00:13:03] And I as I was sitting there watching it and I remember thinking

[00:13:07] this last time, what the heck did people think?

[00:13:10] A couple thousand years ago, like that 10 minutes.

[00:13:13] The world was ending.

[00:13:14] Yeah. The world's ending.

[00:13:15] This is it, man.

[00:13:16] It's over.

[00:13:17] But what's what's really funny is like also how in hell

[00:13:20] do they predict it so right to the second?

[00:13:23] Like I'm glad I'm not the guy that's responsible for figuring out

[00:13:27] the calculations to know when it's because like they know exactly what it's

[00:13:30] coming and where when it's going to hit at any particular place.

[00:13:33] Oh, and by the way, Cleveland was cloudy and rainy that morning.

[00:13:36] So I thought there was a decent chance we were going to see zip

[00:13:40] and it cleared up completely and was perfect in Cleveland.

[00:13:43] It was it was ideal.

[00:13:45] And that was, you know, part of the story where we're famous for having

[00:13:48] really like it's rained the rest of the week.

[00:13:50] Yeah, yeah.

[00:13:51] We got so lucky in Cleveland. Exactly.

[00:13:53] Yeah.

[00:13:55] You know, the universe shined down on us having my family there,

[00:13:58] having the great weather, having my friends there, having you there.

[00:14:01] You know, I had some high school friends here too.

[00:14:03] It was just that's cool.

[00:14:05] It my son was here.

[00:14:07] Yeah.

[00:14:08] I just it was awesome.

[00:14:09] That's really cool.

[00:14:11] Very, very cool.

[00:14:12] So I super I have we're going to I'm going to as good as that was.

[00:14:16] And also Kevin got to meet Sean and Jacob and my wife.

[00:14:19] Yes, yes.

[00:14:20] Yeah.

[00:14:20] What is your kids thing of this?

[00:14:22] Oh, they loved it.

[00:14:23] They loved it.

[00:14:23] But you know, like, like high school and junior high kids,

[00:14:26] they thought it was great, but they also, you know,

[00:14:28] Jacob was a little preoccupied with playing Pokemon Go

[00:14:32] at the at the farm park.

[00:14:33] Apparently there it was just loaded with good Pokemon.

[00:14:37] And in Sean, Sean is, you know, he's a high school kid with a

[00:14:40] with a smartphone.

[00:14:41] So it's hard to impress.

[00:14:42] I mean, they were very obviously that was amazing and they were

[00:14:44] impressed when it was actually happening.

[00:14:46] But I think they were a little tired of waiting for the for the

[00:14:49] great thing to happen when it was.

[00:14:50] It was so remarkable when it went dark.

[00:14:53] I don't think I don't think many people were worried about what

[00:14:55] was on their phone then, but that was they thought it was great.

[00:14:58] They they I, you know, they want to interestingly, I was like,

[00:15:03] I was so in awe of it and I I didn't know how how affected

[00:15:07] they were, but they definitely were.

[00:15:08] It's hard not to be such a dramatic display.

[00:15:10] So yeah, anyhow, absolutely.

[00:15:12] It was it was fun.

[00:15:13] We had a hell of a time getting back.

[00:15:15] We literally left almost as soon as the totality was over because

[00:15:17] I knew I knew I had a drive ahead of me, but we ran into it.

[00:15:20] Like there's a ton of accidents on the way up to Michigan.

[00:15:23] I couldn't I couldn't, you know, as a four and a half hour drive

[00:15:25] that ended up being like seven and a half hours that sucked.

[00:15:28] So yeah, I know.

[00:15:30] Yeah, Kevin was Kevin could walk home basically.

[00:15:33] And it was pretty great.

[00:15:34] So in any case, I it was if I had to do it again, I

[00:15:38] would have just stayed till Tuesday.

[00:15:40] But or but it was it was okay.

[00:15:42] It was very good.

[00:15:43] So okay, I'm going to switch up, fellas, because I have

[00:15:46] I am going to I have a theme for this evening's very clinical

[00:15:51] podcast and the theme is one that we've done on podcasts in

[00:15:55] multiple times.

[00:15:56] And I call it the recommendation engine.

[00:15:59] Basically, it's it's a matter of I know I'm switching that

[00:16:02] up on you guys, but it's a matter of stuff.

[00:16:05] We used to call it when Jason and I were doing the

[00:16:07] dental hacks podcast, we'd call it go hack yourself and

[00:16:10] we would do one every week and Jason and I would each

[00:16:12] have a recommendation at the end of the show and tons

[00:16:15] of good podcasts do this.

[00:16:17] And I have to tell you that the podcast that I listen

[00:16:20] to a lot of them will have these recommendations.

[00:16:21] And I have to tell you, I seek them out a lot of times,

[00:16:24] especially if it's someone I really like on the podcast,

[00:16:26] they'll have a book that they recommend or a podcast or an

[00:16:28] album or whatever.

[00:16:29] And I oftentimes, particularly because it's someone I like

[00:16:32] to listen to and I think I think I like what they like.

[00:16:34] And so I'll go check it out.

[00:16:35] And I always enjoy doing it.

[00:16:37] And the other thing is, is like I listen to enough

[00:16:38] stuff or try enough stuff or see enough stuff that I

[00:16:41] always like it's an easy way to kind of spread fun stuff

[00:16:44] that I've been doing.

[00:16:44] So I thought I asked the guys to each come up with a

[00:16:48] dental recommendation of some sort, a non-dental

[00:16:52] recommendation of any sort and then probably a podcast

[00:16:56] recommendation.

[00:16:57] So we're going to have three each.

[00:16:59] And so let's let's do this.

[00:17:00] Let's do the dental ones first.

[00:17:02] We each have one in the dental space.

[00:17:04] So I'm going to start with Kevin.

[00:17:05] Kevin give me your dental recommendation.

[00:17:10] Okay, so this is going to be a little specific to the

[00:17:13] digital workflow and guided implants.

[00:17:15] I completely changed everything I was doing on January

[00:17:19] 1st.

[00:17:19] And this is a little niche, but it's really been great

[00:17:23] for me.

[00:17:23] So if you're a Zurich owner and you have a Serona

[00:17:27] comb beam, there is a thing called Rapid Guide

[00:17:32] that CCAT makes.

[00:17:34] And basically what it is is a an AI makes your

[00:17:39] surgical guide and the turnaround time is 20

[00:17:43] minutes.

[00:17:44] And so there's a couple of things that I really

[00:17:48] like about it.

[00:17:48] One is the obviously the turnaround time.

[00:17:51] So I get, I get a surgical guide that I can print

[00:17:54] back in 20 minutes.

[00:17:56] I like the AI feature because why not have the

[00:17:59] robot overlords take over our implant cases.

[00:18:03] And you know, the what it's allowed me to do, first

[00:18:09] of all, the guides fit great.

[00:18:10] I've not had a problem at all, which I just probably

[00:18:13] blew that for my next one.

[00:18:15] But I also changed my guided implant system.

[00:18:20] I'm using Bioryzen's guided pro system.

[00:18:24] So those two things work together.

[00:18:26] That's part of the reason I switched, but also

[00:18:28] being able to get a guide back in 20 minutes

[00:18:30] means I can schedule you quicker so we can

[00:18:32] get it done quicker and really works into my

[00:18:37] priority scheduling workflow.

[00:18:39] So rapid guide by CCAT.

[00:18:42] It took me a little bit to figure everything out.

[00:18:45] That's how I spent my Christmas vacation because

[00:18:48] I had been doing it one way for so long.

[00:18:50] And this was a little bit different, but once

[00:18:52] you I got to figure it out, it's a piece of cake.

[00:18:54] So when your old, when your robot overlords

[00:18:57] are creating this thing, do you like to speak

[00:18:59] to them in like an Arnold Schwarzenegger accent?

[00:19:02] Like the term...

[00:19:03] Well, it is made in Germany.

[00:19:04] I'll be Bob.

[00:19:05] Yes, to all of those things.

[00:19:07] OK, good. I like that.

[00:19:08] I'm glad.

[00:19:09] There are German...

[00:19:10] Put the Austrian accent on there.

[00:19:12] And actually the Terminator is making it.

[00:19:15] I like that.

[00:19:15] I mean, a little intimidating, but I like that nonetheless.

[00:19:19] Yeah.

[00:19:19] Zach, what dental recommendation do you have?

[00:19:23] I've actually got two.

[00:19:25] OK, let's hear them.

[00:19:26] One's really short.

[00:19:27] That's why I got that.

[00:19:27] So I'm going to take two.

[00:19:29] So I'm this is a product I've been using for a while,

[00:19:32] but I don't think I've I don't think I've talked about it on this

[00:19:35] on the show.

[00:19:37] Maybe because I wanted to have used it for probably about five or six years

[00:19:40] before I felt good saying something about it.

[00:19:42] But so time comes when we all need kind of like a salvage cement,

[00:19:47] something for like short preps or, you know,

[00:19:51] resemitting something where there's it's a kind of a loosey-goosey,

[00:19:55] you know, restoration and, you know,

[00:19:58] C and B meta bonds been the been the leader in that space for a while.

[00:20:01] But that is an expensive, complicated kit.

[00:20:05] It's very complicated.

[00:20:06] It's much easier to not follow the instructions.

[00:20:09] Correct.

[00:20:10] Which is that's that's my dad's thing.

[00:20:12] There were instructions.

[00:20:13] I'm not sure they ever got used when I was at dad's office.

[00:20:16] Exactly.

[00:20:17] So the in my opinion, and that one probably hasn't been surpassed,

[00:20:22] but in my opinion, the second place salvage cement is

[00:20:26] Pinavia's V five product, specifically the opaque brand.

[00:20:31] If you're using like a Zirconia or a metal restoration of some sort,

[00:20:38] you know, probably not.

[00:20:38] You max going to show through really bad.

[00:20:40] It's really bright white.

[00:20:42] But man, that stuff sticks.

[00:20:44] I have put some things on that I've looked back.

[00:20:47] I was putting in I was like, oh, boy, I can I can hear the call already.

[00:20:51] Yeah.

[00:20:51] They'll like, you know, this crown popped off.

[00:20:54] And a lot of those scenarios were, you know, five, you know,

[00:21:00] pushing five and six years ago now.

[00:21:02] And that stuff's holding in.

[00:21:04] And so I feel I feel good about that.

[00:21:06] So on my on my shorter or overly, you know, tapered preps for a variety

[00:21:11] of reasons, that Pinavia V five has been a winner for me on again,

[00:21:16] on metal based and Zirconia restorations.

[00:21:19] And you're using their primer and everything.

[00:21:21] Yeah.

[00:21:22] I mean, I bought there.

[00:21:22] And just me, that's not a cheap product either.

[00:21:25] But it definitely comes in lower than the CME bed about any instructions

[00:21:30] and they're like actually following through with it is pretty easy.

[00:21:33] It's just there's there's a there's a primer for the primer for the crown.

[00:21:37] And that primer for the crown is also basically just like any kind of a,

[00:21:41] you know, like a silane based primer.

[00:21:45] And then there's a tooth primer and and, you know, the cement comes out

[00:21:49] of just an injectable cement out of a tube.

[00:21:51] And it's held to clean up, man.

[00:21:53] It sets up.

[00:21:54] Yeah, it is rock hard.

[00:21:55] If you have an assistant that dings around on it, you're going to be

[00:21:58] getting out of scale or having to work hard.

[00:22:03] Probably.

[00:22:03] Let's be honest.

[00:22:04] Maybe that.

[00:22:04] Maybe that.

[00:22:05] But the stuff sticks.

[00:22:06] Yeah.

[00:22:07] And that's so that's been a that's been a winner for me.

[00:22:10] So if you're looking, you're looking for something stronger than

[00:22:13] your resin modified glass, I don't remember for a crappy situation.

[00:22:18] I'm digging that one.

[00:22:19] And I've the long it's hit the long term for me on that.

[00:22:23] Nice.

[00:22:23] And then the second thing is real quick and easy.

[00:22:25] I think a, you know, a lot of us are using SDF now on our

[00:22:31] geriatric and pediatric cases on some weird scenarios.

[00:22:36] And for a long time, uh, gosh, what's the elevate oral had the kind

[00:22:41] of the run of the market show in town.

[00:22:44] Yeah.

[00:22:44] Finally, just in the last couple of months, uh, the company Centrix

[00:22:49] Oh, who also makes like Benda brush and a couple of things has

[00:22:53] finally released their SDF.

[00:22:55] I guess it must have gone, you know, off generic.

[00:22:58] Yeah, something.

[00:22:59] Okay.

[00:22:59] I'm looking at it.

[00:23:00] I didn't even know this.

[00:23:01] Okay.

[00:23:01] Silver.

[00:23:02] Yes.

[00:23:02] So this, this is pretty new.

[00:23:03] This is, this is definitely this year or maybe like fourth

[00:23:06] quarter last year.

[00:23:07] And you're going to get about a 40% discount for the same, same exact

[00:23:11] thing.

[00:23:11] I mean, it's a, it's a 38%.

[00:23:13] The directions are the same.

[00:23:15] It comes out the same.

[00:23:16] It looks the same.

[00:23:16] It tastes just as bad.

[00:23:20] It's, uh, it's all the same.

[00:23:21] So I'm, I'm definitely making that, that switch plus this is being

[00:23:25] sold at like most regular dental dealers.

[00:23:28] Like, you know, in my case, I use SAFCO for a lot of things.

[00:23:30] You don't have to go to the special direct website.

[00:23:33] Yeah.

[00:23:34] You had to have their login and you couldn't combine it with

[00:23:37] another order unless you actually use them for orders.

[00:23:39] So anyway, Centrix SDF, uh, save yourself some, you know,

[00:23:44] a few bucks and get the same thing.

[00:23:46] All right.

[00:23:47] Wait.

[00:23:47] So I've got, I've got a, um, this is really funny.

[00:23:51] I just, uh, I've had this kit for a while.

[00:23:54] The, the, uh, there's, it's called the Unica interior matrix.

[00:23:58] It's by a company called Polydentia, which is, I think

[00:24:01] it's Swiss, some kind of European thing.

[00:24:03] And it's got like, it's got like the, the, uh, style

[00:24:06] Italiano logo on it.

[00:24:08] So obviously I'm sure it's really expensive.

[00:24:10] I don't know.

[00:24:10] I've had it for years and didn't use it.

[00:24:13] I saw it and thought, man, that's a really great idea.

[00:24:15] And then I, and so I was doing today, I was doing, um, I had a guy

[00:24:19] who he's got a bunch of mishmash of restorative stuff.

[00:24:23] I think, I think literally in one, I think we did on the

[00:24:25] left side, we did a canine, uh, a cantilevered lateral and

[00:24:30] size are off a canine.

[00:24:31] And then I think he has, he might have one, uh, I think he

[00:24:35] has the other lateral as is a crown and they're not there.

[00:24:37] I think they're probably not, they're probably not even Emacs.

[00:24:41] They're probably just kind of sort of opaque-ish looking, um,

[00:24:45] zirconia and stuff.

[00:24:46] And then, so he's, but he had other teeth, you know, his

[00:24:49] other anterior teeth were discolored.

[00:24:51] They were, they were, you know, old composites that were

[00:24:53] discolored in and he didn't like them.

[00:24:54] And I'm like, okay, so I really want to try and basically I was,

[00:24:58] I was sort of taking the Zach and Al like mono, mono shade

[00:25:03] veneer to try and make teeth look a little prettier.

[00:25:06] And I'm like, man, you know, and contour for me, I usually

[00:25:08] freehand those do a fair amount of freehanding with those.

[00:25:11] And my contour is not as consistent maybe as I would

[00:25:13] like it to be.

[00:25:15] This Unica anterior matrix is a goofyest looking thing you

[00:25:18] ever saw.

[00:25:18] It's a metal matrix, but it's built to, it kind of comes from

[00:25:23] behind through the contacts and then wraps right onto the

[00:25:27] gingival of an anterior tooth.

[00:25:29] And it, and it holds really tight like you put it in there

[00:25:33] and I didn't use it with wedges.

[00:25:34] It comes with fancy wedges.

[00:25:35] I didn't use it with the wedges because that held

[00:25:37] really tight on its own.

[00:25:40] And so what, what's really cool is it, it just, it, I

[00:25:44] mean, the photos on the website show with a rubber dam.

[00:25:46] I didn't even use it with a rubber dam today, although

[00:25:48] you certainly could, but it really, it pinches right down

[00:25:51] into the gingiva.

[00:25:52] So, so it's really, it isolates really nicely, but more than

[00:25:55] that, I've never seen this before, but this looks, this

[00:25:57] looks neat.

[00:25:58] Okay.

[00:25:58] I'm going to tell you, Zach, if you, if I don't think

[00:26:01] there's anything that could make the, the, I never

[00:26:04] thought there's much you could do better.

[00:26:05] You just, you know, you had some days where this,

[00:26:08] this, you know, just doing the freehanded mono color

[00:26:11] composite mate or composite veneer.

[00:26:13] Some days you were great and some days you're like, oh,

[00:26:15] sure, I didn't do so well.

[00:26:16] Oh yeah.

[00:26:17] This I think we'll make first off, and also since it was

[00:26:20] discolored tooth, I was using Cosman and Pink opaque

[00:26:25] opaque er.

[00:26:26] So I prepped, I prepped a little, I prepped a little

[00:26:29] heavier than I would have.

[00:26:30] And if you're using that, that pink opaque, you got

[00:26:32] to prep more than you think you need because that

[00:26:34] stuff is hot.

[00:26:35] Like you got to really cover it up.

[00:26:37] And if you're, if you're layered composite over

[00:26:40] that is too thin, it's going to show through

[00:26:41] like a bad P F M.

[00:26:43] But the reality is so I did, I did all that.

[00:26:45] And then I just honestly took heated 3M whatever

[00:26:50] they're super mega.

[00:26:52] I forget the name of it, but, but, and I just kind

[00:26:54] of layered that with some flow.

[00:26:56] Well, I did sort of snowplowed it and I did almost

[00:26:58] like a bio clear thing where I like way overbuilt

[00:27:01] it, but what's really cool, this matrix doesn't

[00:27:03] let the contour is really easy to control.

[00:27:06] So you're basically just taking a diamond burn,

[00:27:09] cutting it back.

[00:27:09] And all of a sudden I had a really nice looking

[00:27:11] contour on these things on teeth that didn't look

[00:27:14] very nice when I started.

[00:27:15] And I have to say, if you got a freehand, this is

[00:27:18] a really nice way to get consistent symmetrical

[00:27:21] contacts on these teeth.

[00:27:22] I really like it.

[00:27:23] Like I've had it for years and never used it.

[00:27:26] It was one of the things where I'm like, this

[00:27:27] looks cool.

[00:27:27] I'll get it.

[00:27:28] I never got the box.

[00:27:29] I'm surprised you use this over the bio clear,

[00:27:31] but I can see where I got to tell you, I don't

[00:27:33] have much time for the, but I'm sorry, David,

[00:27:35] but I just not a huge fan of the bio clear

[00:27:37] interior matrices.

[00:27:38] I think they don't give a particularly anatomic

[00:27:41] contour on the, on the interior.

[00:27:42] I love them for the posterior, but for the

[00:27:44] interior, I'm not, I find myself cutting the

[00:27:47] contour back a lot on those.

[00:27:49] This I didn't, I mean, the contour here was

[00:27:51] facially overcontour, but that's super easy to

[00:27:53] cut back with like a coarse diamond and then

[00:27:55] some discs and all of a sudden you're back

[00:27:57] at it as long as, like I said, when it was

[00:27:59] a discolored tooth, as long as you've got

[00:28:01] enough layer on the facial over top of that

[00:28:03] opaque or God dang it was really good in

[00:28:05] the polish was a piece of cake.

[00:28:07] So these are now a go to if you're doing

[00:28:09] facial like, and I could see doing the thing

[00:28:11] where if you're even if you're doing like

[00:28:14] a big class four where you just make

[00:28:15] yourself kind of a lingual shell and do

[00:28:17] it. I'm going to use these because they

[00:28:19] made it really easy.

[00:28:20] It was really fast.

[00:28:22] It was really fast.

[00:28:24] I know that these guys are, these are

[00:28:25] the style of Tadayano guys.

[00:28:27] So they're probably layering about 20

[00:28:28] different colors on.

[00:28:28] So I did not and it was fast as hell.

[00:28:31] I loved it.

[00:28:31] So I've never seen anything like this.

[00:28:33] That's that's really neat.

[00:28:34] It's it's pretty cool.

[00:28:35] Yeah, it's pretty cool.

[00:28:36] I'll put a link in the I don't know.

[00:28:38] I'm not sure where I got it because

[00:28:39] I'll bet you probably only distributed

[00:28:41] someplace weird in the United States.

[00:28:42] If I if I'm not mistaken, likely.

[00:28:44] Yeah.

[00:28:45] So these are the kinds of things you

[00:28:47] find on Pearson.

[00:28:48] Yeah.

[00:28:49] Yeah.

[00:28:49] Yeah.

[00:28:50] They do cut they do carry weird stuff.

[00:28:52] Don't they?

[00:28:53] Well, I carry that's that's your that's

[00:28:55] your weird stuff go to.

[00:28:56] Yeah.

[00:28:56] I haven't looked it up to see if it's

[00:28:58] on Pearson.

[00:28:59] Okay.

[00:28:59] You know what here it is.

[00:29:00] I'm going to go to USA.

[00:29:02] I'm on the website right now.

[00:29:03] USA and it's slow.

[00:29:05] Hang on.

[00:29:06] Let's see if I well, if it comes up

[00:29:08] all all these spell that one more

[00:29:09] time spell that one.

[00:29:11] Unica UNICA.

[00:29:13] Okay.

[00:29:13] Okay.

[00:29:13] In the United States, guess what?

[00:29:15] The first one is it's Pearson dental supply.

[00:29:17] So that's probably where I got it.

[00:29:18] Prakta Khan has it Patterson,

[00:29:20] Smile Line, Skydental, Benco,

[00:29:22] Darby and Henry Shine.

[00:29:23] So it's not that hard to find,

[00:29:24] but Pearson will be cheaper.

[00:29:25] If you've if you've gone through

[00:29:27] the hoops to have a Pearson account,

[00:29:29] they are they're pretty inexpensive.

[00:29:31] It requires so many hoops just

[00:29:33] and their website looks like it's

[00:29:35] circa 1997.

[00:29:37] So it's awesome.

[00:29:38] It's not like they're they're inexpensive.

[00:29:40] They're kind of like Safco that way too,

[00:29:41] but I love it anyhow.

[00:29:42] So that was that's Unica,

[00:29:43] Unica matrices.

[00:29:44] OK, we got to keep going.

[00:29:45] We got to hustle guys.

[00:29:46] We can't make this take too long.

[00:29:47] So Kevin, what is your non-dental

[00:29:49] recommendation?

[00:29:51] All right, this is going to be a

[00:29:52] little off the wall, but it's

[00:29:53] something that we started doing

[00:29:56] about two years ago.

[00:29:57] This is actually I'm going to have

[00:29:59] two recommendations, but I'm going

[00:30:00] to be quick.

[00:30:02] We.

[00:30:04] We have a thing

[00:30:06] that we do with some friends of ours

[00:30:09] and we call it the restaurant club.

[00:30:11] And what the restaurant club is,

[00:30:13] we do with our friends,

[00:30:14] Jessica and Justin, is that

[00:30:17] we pick a restaurant in Cleveland

[00:30:19] and we pick them up at their house.

[00:30:22] They don't know where we're going.

[00:30:24] Oh, well, and we have a lovely

[00:30:26] dinner and a surprise.

[00:30:28] So it's usually something cool

[00:30:30] or off the wall a little bit

[00:30:33] or whatever.

[00:30:33] But the big fun is surprising

[00:30:36] them and scouting

[00:30:39] out, you know, some good restaurants

[00:30:42] in the area prior to that.

[00:30:44] So we're always we call it the

[00:30:46] TRC. That's how we named it.

[00:30:48] Very fancy.

[00:30:49] The restaurant club is called TRC.

[00:30:51] Nice.

[00:30:52] So our TRC

[00:30:55] next time is I can't tell you

[00:30:58] where it's going to be because

[00:30:58] they're going to listen.

[00:31:00] But anyway, it is it's a big deal.

[00:31:03] It's a lot of fun.

[00:31:04] And I highly recommend the first

[00:31:07] time we ever went, I had no idea

[00:31:08] where we're going.

[00:31:09] And it was one of the best meals

[00:31:11] I've ever had in my life on the

[00:31:12] west side of Cleveland.

[00:31:13] Nice.

[00:31:14] Which if you know anything about

[00:31:15] Cleveland, that's the other side

[00:31:16] of town.

[00:31:18] The other thing I'm going to

[00:31:19] really quickly recommend because

[00:31:20] it came up at the eclipse party

[00:31:22] was that my sister had read

[00:31:24] Dave Grohl's biography

[00:31:26] and I had read it

[00:31:28] nine months or a year prior.

[00:31:30] So I highly recommend

[00:31:31] if you're a music fan,

[00:31:33] you know, Dave Grohl

[00:31:35] was in the Nirvanas.

[00:31:37] That was a joke.

[00:31:38] Yes.

[00:31:39] And also Foo Fighters.

[00:31:40] Yep.

[00:31:41] And spoiler alert,

[00:31:44] he's friends with Paul McCartney.

[00:31:46] Yeah.

[00:31:46] And my favorite parts

[00:31:49] of the book was him talking

[00:31:50] about Paul McCartney coming over

[00:31:52] his house.

[00:31:52] I had Alan meet at my house.

[00:31:54] That's a celebrity.

[00:31:55] Yeah, you know.

[00:31:56] You did not sit at the piano

[00:31:58] and play Lady Madonna for me.

[00:32:00] No.

[00:32:01] To you.

[00:32:02] No.

[00:32:03] I also don't have Sir.

[00:32:04] I don't have Sir in front of my

[00:32:05] name.

[00:32:06] Yes.

[00:32:08] Great great biography

[00:32:09] if you're into reading about

[00:32:11] people who are musicians

[00:32:12] and, you know,

[00:32:14] an insanely likeable to

[00:32:16] let's be honest and insanely

[00:32:17] likeable.

[00:32:18] Is he the best person on

[00:32:19] earth?

[00:32:19] I think he might be.

[00:32:21] He's really cool

[00:32:22] and it comes across in the

[00:32:23] book.

[00:32:23] Yeah.

[00:32:24] He's a barber.

[00:32:25] He's a barbecue guy, too.

[00:32:26] You know that, right?

[00:32:28] I don't know.

[00:32:29] Yeah, he's he's he's a

[00:32:30] barbecue guy and he actually at

[00:32:32] one point there's I guess in

[00:32:33] in LA there were some kind of

[00:32:34] he fed a bunch of people

[00:32:36] with the barbecue.

[00:32:37] I mean, it's the greatest.

[00:32:38] He's literally the greatest person

[00:32:39] on earth.

[00:32:40] There's one story in the book

[00:32:41] about him getting nervous like

[00:32:43] he actually gets nervous because

[00:32:44] he had to play Blackbird,

[00:32:45] a Beatles song about Blackbird

[00:32:48] for Barack Obama

[00:32:49] and it, you know,

[00:32:50] he was nervous to do so.

[00:32:52] I just think like these guys

[00:32:53] just get up there and do

[00:32:54] whatever they want and they're

[00:32:55] awesome musicians, but they're

[00:32:56] real human beings.

[00:32:57] They can be nervous.

[00:32:58] I see.

[00:32:58] OK.

[00:32:59] All right.

[00:32:59] So, Zach, what is your non-dental

[00:33:01] recommendation?

[00:33:02] OK, I'm not sure.

[00:33:03] I don't know if I've mentioned

[00:33:05] this or not on the show, but

[00:33:06] I'm going to do it anyway.

[00:33:07] So starting

[00:33:09] around in my like early

[00:33:11] forties, I started having

[00:33:13] a lot of I started

[00:33:15] really starting to get the dental

[00:33:16] back and neck pain.

[00:33:18] It was really starting to catch up

[00:33:20] with me big time

[00:33:22] like to the point

[00:33:24] where it was it was it was

[00:33:25] pretty debilitating.

[00:33:26] I haven't talked about that much,

[00:33:27] but it was it was getting pretty bad.

[00:33:29] And I will say that the

[00:33:33] the thing that has really gotten me

[00:33:35] over it, you know, I took all those

[00:33:37] ergonomic types of courses.

[00:33:38] I thought about I thought

[00:33:40] about positioning and all that.

[00:33:41] It's not that dentistry

[00:33:44] in a lot of ways, especially like

[00:33:45] the difficult operative

[00:33:47] endo, the longer procedure stuff.

[00:33:50] It's almost like a sport in a way

[00:33:51] and you have to train for that sport.

[00:33:53] And I didn't know how to do that.

[00:33:55] I didn't know what to do and how to do it.

[00:33:57] And there is a YouTube channel

[00:34:00] and Instagram account called Low

[00:34:03] Back Ability.

[00:34:04] And

[00:34:06] that guy's videos

[00:34:08] and following his advice

[00:34:10] and his program on how to,

[00:34:12] you know, systematically strengthen

[00:34:14] your back in every different way

[00:34:15] in your neck.

[00:34:16] And just it's a lot of like

[00:34:18] prehab, PT kind of stuff

[00:34:21] didn't require me to purchase

[00:34:22] very much equipment,

[00:34:23] but just following through that.

[00:34:25] Now

[00:34:27] I don't have that problem like that,

[00:34:29] that strengthening up all those areas

[00:34:31] solve that problem or like the person

[00:34:33] who won't lay back in the chair.

[00:34:34] Used to be like, ah, when that person comes in,

[00:34:37] I'm going to be out of commission

[00:34:38] the next day practically.

[00:34:39] That's an hour.

[00:34:40] I still hate them.

[00:34:40] Yeah, I still hate.

[00:34:41] I still hate them,

[00:34:43] but like I have the strength

[00:34:46] and flexibility

[00:34:48] to handle that appointment

[00:34:50] and not be crippled the next day.

[00:34:53] I think we should have a podcast just about that.

[00:34:55] That was amazing.

[00:34:56] I would do it.

[00:34:57] I would do it.

[00:34:58] Yeah, I would do a show entirely about that.

[00:35:01] I mean, seriously, that's been a multi month.

[00:35:03] You guys should have

[00:35:04] we should see if we can get him on Low Back Ability.

[00:35:06] There's someone I know someone

[00:35:08] that we can get on actually.

[00:35:09] OK, OK.

[00:35:11] Part of our restaurant club.

[00:35:13] Anyway, Low Back Ability

[00:35:15] just do a YouTube search

[00:35:16] or an Instagram search

[00:35:17] or an X search for Low Back Ability

[00:35:20] and highly recommend it

[00:35:23] unless you have some kind of weird,

[00:35:25] you know, anatomical issue

[00:35:27] of your normal person.

[00:35:28] It's going to help you big time.

[00:35:29] Very, very good advice.

[00:35:30] All right, my recommendation

[00:35:32] and I thought Zach was going to take this.

[00:35:34] I'm glad he didn't.

[00:35:34] I'm going to recommend the Disney Plus show X-Men 97.

[00:35:39] It is if you if you if you.

[00:35:42] Well, I mean,

[00:35:43] I was out of dental school

[00:35:44] when the original X-Men.

[00:35:45] I mean, there's those in the 90s,

[00:35:46] the X-Men cartoon, the original.

[00:35:48] And I didn't realize how long

[00:35:50] that cartoon went a long time.

[00:35:52] And this X-Men 97 is on Disney Plus now.

[00:35:55] It's new.

[00:35:55] There's all new episodes.

[00:35:57] I think the fourth or the fifth one

[00:35:58] just came out today, actually,

[00:36:00] in the series.

[00:36:01] It's a continuation of that cartoon.

[00:36:04] But you know, the animation is better.

[00:36:06] A lot of the voice actors are the same

[00:36:09] and the story lines are

[00:36:11] are honestly, the story lines are more adult.

[00:36:13] It's almost a little soap opera.

[00:36:15] You a little bit.

[00:36:15] It's not not bad, but it's it's a

[00:36:17] I'm really enjoying it.

[00:36:18] Actually, I've said I had low expectations

[00:36:21] and it's better than I expected.

[00:36:23] And the other thing is funny

[00:36:24] is if you're if you're a comic book guy,

[00:36:26] they are exploring a lot of the old

[00:36:28] older and newer kind of

[00:36:30] comic book, you know, stories,

[00:36:33] the overarching stories

[00:36:35] that are going into some

[00:36:36] that they hadn't before.

[00:36:37] So it's it's pretty good, especially.

[00:36:39] I mean, if you watch

[00:36:40] the original X-Men in the 90s

[00:36:42] and there's probably a lot of people

[00:36:43] listening that were about that age group,

[00:36:45] this is really it's it's good.

[00:36:47] It's it picks it up.

[00:36:48] And I think it probably does it even better

[00:36:49] than it used to because the that's

[00:36:51] it's a little bit more.

[00:36:52] I mean, it's definitely geared

[00:36:53] towards people that were watching

[00:36:54] that in the 90s.

[00:36:55] So, you know, sure, if you're

[00:36:57] watching that in the 90s,

[00:36:58] it's here's your message

[00:36:59] to schedule your colonoscopy kind of thing.

[00:37:01] You know, it's like

[00:37:02] I'm afraid that I'm afraid

[00:37:03] they're kind of a little bit older now.

[00:37:05] So there you have it.

[00:37:06] Right on.

[00:37:07] All right.

[00:37:07] So let's do one one really quick round table.

[00:37:10] We're going to go around any

[00:37:11] podcast you're listening to a new podcast,

[00:37:13] different podcasts to recommend.

[00:37:14] Kevin, give me your podcast.

[00:37:16] I always fall back to the Joe Rogan.

[00:37:18] So I'm fully invested.

[00:37:22] So also, I know it's

[00:37:25] controversial right now,

[00:37:26] but I do enjoy Andrew Huberman also.

[00:37:29] Yeah. I mean, that's

[00:37:32] he's getting a lot of he's getting

[00:37:33] a lot of press lately.

[00:37:34] But yeah, yeah.

[00:37:35] Zach, what do you got?

[00:37:38] I mean, I like I still

[00:37:40] like Huberman show to is

[00:37:41] controversial as he is.

[00:37:43] But I mean, that all the health

[00:37:44] stuff that those guys are

[00:37:45] bringing to light, man.

[00:37:46] It's along the same lines

[00:37:48] as the back stuff I'm talking about.

[00:37:50] So I mean, all of us are

[00:37:51] we're all in that, you know,

[00:37:54] second half, you know, of our

[00:37:56] lives slash careers and

[00:37:58] rip straight, you know, you got to

[00:37:59] yeah, grip strength, man.

[00:38:00] You got to you got to start

[00:38:02] get started getting healthier for sure.

[00:38:04] There is a brand new podcast

[00:38:08] that Seth Meyers of SNL

[00:38:10] and I think what is he got?

[00:38:11] The late late show or something like that.

[00:38:13] Yeah.

[00:38:14] He started a show with

[00:38:16] the three guys from the Lonely Island.

[00:38:18] She's there for me.

[00:38:19] We were also on SNL in the

[00:38:21] in the early OO's and they are

[00:38:22] talking about how all those

[00:38:25] digital shorts and sketches

[00:38:28] got done in the early

[00:38:29] and basically in the early early

[00:38:31] days of like YouTube when that was

[00:38:32] an infant right thing that wasn't

[00:38:34] owned by Google yet and are just

[00:38:36] talking.

[00:38:38] Lazy Sunday history.

[00:38:39] Yes, Lazy Sunday.

[00:38:40] That's the very first episode.

[00:38:42] Well, actually, it's

[00:38:44] how they got hired and then

[00:38:45] and then they're going to get it.

[00:38:46] It's brand new.

[00:38:47] This podcast is if you started

[00:38:49] down, you were only down one or two

[00:38:51] episodes by the time you listen to this.

[00:38:53] And so it's just it's a time capsule

[00:38:55] and those are funny guys.

[00:38:56] And that

[00:38:58] that was a neat time frame.

[00:39:00] I enjoyed watching those.

[00:39:01] Early internet.

[00:39:02] Yeah.

[00:39:03] OK, so this is this is an interesting

[00:39:04] one. I started listening.

[00:39:06] Do you guys know who Dan Savage is?

[00:39:08] Yeah, he's Dan Savage.

[00:39:09] He's like he's like a sex columnist.

[00:39:12] He's he's he's

[00:39:14] himself. He's gay.

[00:39:15] And I expect you to go there.

[00:39:16] He's got it. He's got a really he's

[00:39:18] got I mean, he's he's had a column

[00:39:20] forever, but he has a podcast.

[00:39:21] It's called the Savage Love Cast.

[00:39:24] And basically, it's 90 percent of

[00:39:26] is him answering sex questions from

[00:39:28] all kinds of people of all kinds of

[00:39:29] sex. And it's first off,

[00:39:32] he is such a consummate broadcaster.

[00:39:34] He is so good on the microphone, not

[00:39:36] not even just because he's talking

[00:39:37] about sex. He's just he's just

[00:39:39] he's a really good conversationalist.

[00:39:42] So good, honestly.

[00:39:43] So I used to just subscribe to what

[00:39:45] that he calls the micro version,

[00:39:47] which is the that's the non paid

[00:39:49] version, your micro if you're non

[00:39:51] paid. And I recently proudly

[00:39:54] subscribed to the Magnum version.

[00:39:56] So now I get I get the

[00:39:58] it's really what it is.

[00:39:59] The paid is the thing for sex.

[00:40:01] I'm paying for sort of yes, in a

[00:40:03] way. Dan Savage is brilliant.

[00:40:05] He's really funny.

[00:40:06] He's really good.

[00:40:07] And in actually the paid

[00:40:09] version gives it's a longer

[00:40:11] podcast and it's really

[00:40:13] good. Like, like

[00:40:16] you could you could aspire

[00:40:18] to be as good on the mic as Dan

[00:40:19] whether you're talking about sex

[00:40:20] or anything else. He's just really

[00:40:22] good. And actually, you know, I

[00:40:23] heard him for the first time

[00:40:25] on another podcast on a

[00:40:27] podcast called Smoke him if you

[00:40:28] got him, which is

[00:40:30] it's a couple of women that are

[00:40:32] sort of in that heterodox space

[00:40:33] or whatever. And he was all he

[00:40:34] was so good. I'm like, man,

[00:40:36] this guy's so good.

[00:40:36] I so I started listening to his

[00:40:38] and then I mean, like month

[00:40:39] later, I'm paid member.

[00:40:40] Magnum. I'm all Magnum now.

[00:40:42] So I got to tell you out of the

[00:40:44] thousands of podcasts that are

[00:40:46] out there, right?

[00:40:47] That is not I would not have had

[00:40:49] that in my top, you know, 500

[00:40:51] for you to recommend.

[00:40:52] Yeah, that was I didn't

[00:40:53] surprise. I probably didn't see

[00:40:54] it going that way. But I and

[00:40:55] the other thing is what's

[00:40:56] really interesting is I only

[00:40:57] found it by listening to

[00:40:59] another. He was on another

[00:41:01] podcast that I really like.

[00:41:02] And all of a sudden I started

[00:41:03] trying that. That's kind of

[00:41:04] how this works. I think I

[00:41:06] just slipped it in there.

[00:41:07] Yeah, he did slip it in

[00:41:08] there. That's exactly right.

[00:41:12] All right, so that is our

[00:41:13] recommendation engine eclipse

[00:41:15] slash recommendation nicely done

[00:41:17] fellas.

[00:41:18] Thank you guys for listening

[00:41:19] to the bonus bonus linked

[00:41:22] episode there. The Magnum if

[00:41:23] you will. Magnum if you know

[00:41:24] yeah, exactly.

[00:41:26] How do we do that? If you if

[00:41:28] you haven't joined the very

[00:41:30] clinical Facebook page, check it

[00:41:31] out. Why the hell not?

[00:41:32] That's the question.

[00:41:33] That's right. He still hasn't

[00:41:34] monetized it. But man, I

[00:41:36] can see that look in it can

[00:41:37] make it make them.

[00:41:38] Yeah, the Magnum very

[00:41:40] clinical Magnum coming soon.

[00:41:42] That's right.

[00:41:44] All right. Hey, any

[00:41:46] any takebacks?

[00:41:47] Double downs?

[00:41:50] You know, anything?

[00:41:51] Greenland 2000 Greenland 2000

[00:41:53] or six. That's that's it.

[00:41:54] Double down. That's real.

[00:41:55] That is it. All right.

[00:41:56] Super. Thank you guys for

[00:41:57] listening and we will see you

[00:41:59] next Tuesday.

[00:42:00] See you.

[00:42:03] That was excellent fellas.

[00:42:04] Very good.