Very Dental: A History of Magnification with Scott Green

[00:00:00] Picture this. You've got perfect isolation. Your matrix is placed. You've etched and bonded, and you're going to play some flobel.

[00:00:07] You look up and see your assistant's back running out of the

[00:00:09] operatory because you're out of flobel tips. Maybe it doesn't happen in your office, but if you're like most offices, it sometimes does.

[00:00:16] We try to organize every aspect of our business, but let's face it, maintaining order in the midst of a busy practice is easier said than done.

[00:00:23] Small oversights can snowball into big challenges. Running out of supplies, misplacing instruments in the worst of a busy practice his easier said than done. Small oversights can snowball into big challenges, running out of supplies, misplacing instruments

[00:00:27] in the worst of all, when your assistant has to leave chairside to retrieve something

[00:00:31] they forgot.

[00:00:32] What's the solution?

[00:00:33] A lean clinical workflow.

[00:00:34] A systematic approach that brings order to the chaos, benefiting dental practices of all

[00:00:39] sizes.

[00:00:40] And the only one leading to charge in this revolution is Zerk, the company behind the

[00:00:43] best dental mirror you'll ever use.

[00:00:45] They've created the color method, a lean clinical workflow framework designed to transform

[00:00:49] the way your team stores materials, restocks materials, and reprocesses instruments.

[00:00:53] You've heard us talk about it before, and now it's time to take action.

[00:00:57] Picture a practice where every instrument has its place, where supplies are never depleted,

[00:01:01] and where the overwhelming amount of instruments and materials gives way to a seamlessly organized workflow.

[00:01:07] Don't let the disorder of things dictate your day.

[00:01:09] Join the movement towards efficiency and excellence with Zirk's Color Method.

[00:01:12] Visit colormethod.com today to get a free demo.

[00:01:16] Or if you're ready to go deeper, very dental listeners get 25% off of Zirk's Silver Consulting

[00:01:21] Plan.

[00:01:22] Just use code verydental at checkout where Zirk coaches will help you design

[00:01:25] a new clinical workflow.

[00:01:31] This is a production of the VeryDental Podcast Network.

[00:01:34] This is the Very Dental Podcast, where you'll find entertaining and relevant conversations

[00:01:50] with visionaries, clinicians, and your friends in the dental space.

[00:01:54] Now here's your host, Dr. Alan Mead.

[00:01:58] Very dental people, welcome back to another episode of the Very dental podcast coming to you live-ish,

[00:02:05] because I mean, I'm alive.

[00:02:07] I'm here at the Chicago Midwinter recording.

[00:02:10] So we're live, the person I'm talking to

[00:02:12] is across the table, so live,

[00:02:14] but I mean, obviously this is coming out later.

[00:02:16] I'm joined by Scott Green of ANOVA Illumination.

[00:02:19] Scott, how you doing?

[00:02:20] Good, I'm great.

[00:02:20] How are you?

[00:02:21] I'm good.

[00:02:22] So I've been working with Scott in ANOVA for a while now.

[00:02:24] They have, they got my ZoomX microscope in the office.

[00:02:29] Now, I, on Facebook, that was three years ago,

[00:02:32] almost to the day.

[00:02:33] That's amazing.

[00:02:34] Yeah, tons of advice.

[00:02:35] It's great, yeah.

[00:02:36] So like, Scott, his company, they build loops

[00:02:40] in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

[00:02:41] Yep, that's correct.

[00:02:42] They manufacture them, and they, of course,

[00:02:44] you can see them at, they're kind of all over the place now.

[00:02:48] But they also sell microscopes.

[00:02:50] They sell the Zoomax microscopes.

[00:02:51] I have one, I'm thinking harder.

[00:02:53] I'm gonna go out to their teaching center sometimes soon

[00:02:56] to look and see what they have a freaking teacher.

[00:02:58] They have a classroom full of microscopes.

[00:03:00] And we're pretty proud of that.

[00:03:02] Yeah, and it's really, it's on long scopes. They have the full on like, it's not even

[00:03:10] type of dots. It's like they're full on, it's simulators. I don't think

[00:03:15] anyone has what you guys have. And it's not like they pack them up and put them

[00:03:19] in a case and then they set them up. This is a classroom in their facility.

[00:03:23] They're dying to have people come give classes there

[00:03:25] because it's such a good facility.

[00:03:27] We need to be giving classes over there.

[00:03:28] So it's amazing.

[00:03:30] I'll put some pictures of the classroom in the show notes

[00:03:33] because it's, you've gone all in.

[00:03:36] There's no doubt about that.

[00:03:37] You've gone all in.

[00:03:38] Yeah, I think, well, this is, as you and I have talked,

[00:03:41] over the years, many times about it.

[00:03:43] My passion about magnification, which early stage, many times about, my passion about magnification,

[00:03:45] which early stage, 30 years ago,

[00:03:47] we talked about ergonomics,

[00:03:49] we talked about body positioning,

[00:03:52] when my wife started dental school,

[00:03:53] we ran around, we see Minnesota,

[00:03:55] right around the same time we were there,

[00:03:57] magnification was frowned against,

[00:03:59] it wasn't really talked about,

[00:04:00] it was really designed for older practitioners

[00:04:03] that have been vision-

[00:04:04] That's still the line, It's still the line.

[00:04:05] I'm not going to get them until I need them.

[00:04:07] I'm like, you don't understand.

[00:04:08] It's not, it's amazing when I have meetings,

[00:04:12] you know, whether we're having quarterly meetings

[00:04:13] and we get to talk to our field reps.

[00:04:15] It's amazing when the field reps say,

[00:04:17] hey, last week or last few weeks,

[00:04:20] I've been in several practices where the practitioners

[00:04:24] are not wearing magnification.

[00:04:25] And I always try to, you know, like probably a little bit more.

[00:04:27] Well, why is that?

[00:04:28] Why are they not wearing loops?

[00:04:31] Because to me, if you walk into a dental school right now,

[00:04:33] it's mandatory, right?

[00:04:35] Whether it's part of the equipment package

[00:04:36] or they're buying on their own.

[00:04:37] I'll be honest with you.

[00:04:38] I know I've told you this.

[00:04:39] I was the Surgetel rep at the University of Minnesota

[00:04:42] for like four minutes.

[00:04:43] They gave me a little briefcase that had little samantings in there.

[00:04:47] And I didn't, they were all just flip up.

[00:04:49] And it was, I don't know if it was, remember when I started, I was with orscop.

[00:04:53] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:04:54] That's where I got my start.

[00:04:55] And then, and those were the two brands that anyone knew of that.

[00:04:58] Yeah.

[00:04:59] But then I was with Surgetel, but that was probably after you had already gotten it.

[00:05:02] Yeah, I remember one of those.

[00:05:03] I probably have that sample case somewhere. I don't know if I actually ever I think I

[00:05:07] sold like one pair. I was the worst. Do you still have ever? Do you still have

[00:05:10] most? It'd be like an antique. We could put it in a museum or something like that.

[00:05:14] I still you know what I still think the flip-ops as long as you're not flipping

[00:05:18] them up and they're becoming loose. They're a great loop. Sure. They don't sit as

[00:05:21] close to the eye. So that's one of the nice things. One of the nice things is if

[00:05:24] you're not if you don't think your close to the eye. So that's one of the nice things. One of the nice things is if you're not,

[00:05:26] if you don't think your hygienist is gonna stick around

[00:05:28] very long, they're pretty great

[00:05:29] because they're adjustable.

[00:05:30] Yeah, like you don't, the other ones are custom made for it.

[00:05:34] That's a terrible way to put it.

[00:05:35] That's a really terrible, but yeah, here we are.

[00:05:37] It's nice to have all the options.

[00:05:39] I had some Zeiss flip ups for a long time too.

[00:05:43] They were pretty good.

[00:05:43] I mean, they were like prisms. Yeah, they, I think they were pretty good. They're 5. long time too. They were pretty good. I mean, they were like prisms.

[00:05:45] Yeah, I think they were pretty good.

[00:05:47] They're 5.0s too.

[00:05:48] They were pretty good.

[00:05:48] How'd they feel on the face?

[00:05:49] They're heavy.

[00:05:51] They're heavy.

[00:05:51] That was one of the reasons I didn't stick with them.

[00:05:53] Great.

[00:05:53] I've had like every brand of loop in the world.

[00:05:56] And I've tried a lot of the scopes.

[00:05:58] I've been through a lot of that.

[00:06:00] I don't know.

[00:06:01] I'm an easy mark or something.

[00:06:02] I don't know.

[00:06:03] So yeah, so Scott's been in the magnification business

[00:06:06] for quite some time.

[00:06:06] About 30 years.

[00:06:07] So why did you decide to start something on your own?

[00:06:10] Why did the world meet in the Nova?

[00:06:13] Why was that the case?

[00:06:15] Well, the story is that I had been traveling for 15 years

[00:06:21] doing international sales for Surgital,

[00:06:24] working with a lot of the distributors.

[00:06:26] And there seemed to be kind of a drift away

[00:06:29] from having a really good quality loop,

[00:06:32] had a fair reason with price.

[00:06:34] It seemed like Oreskoptic and even Surgatel,

[00:06:37] were out of reach for like a hygienist,

[00:06:41] or out of reach for somebody that was in Central America even.

[00:06:45] So I started looking at where could we fill a gap

[00:06:49] with a really high quality loop

[00:06:51] and still be reasonably priced.

[00:06:53] And that's really a tough call, right?

[00:06:54] Because you want really good optics,

[00:06:56] you want really good quality frames.

[00:06:58] So I started looking at building a loop.

[00:07:00] I had met Roger Hegaard, who you know,

[00:07:03] was the CEO of the company of Vinova.

[00:07:06] And he had a beautiful headlight

[00:07:09] that was designed for surgery.

[00:07:11] And we're both from Minnesota.

[00:07:14] We had lunch together and he said,

[00:07:16] boy, I could really use a loop.

[00:07:18] I've got this great headlight.

[00:07:20] How about we combine the two companies

[00:07:22] and provide a full service of a service.

[00:07:25] I've never heard that. That's how Roger and I met.

[00:07:28] From that point on, he heard my vision.

[00:07:30] I said, I really want to make a really good quality loop at a reason price,

[00:07:34] not being too expensive, but we have to use high quality materials.

[00:07:38] That's where ANOVA came from.

[00:07:40] It's really just producing a really good quality product.

[00:07:43] The materials, as you can see,

[00:07:45] oculars are made out of metal,

[00:07:46] frames are made out of metal.

[00:07:48] Even the lenses we use are Tri-Vex.

[00:07:50] Inside the ocular we use glass as much as possible.

[00:07:52] Yeah.

[00:07:53] And it's still keeping it really high quality.

[00:07:55] I had a chance to go to the manufacturing,

[00:07:57] like the headquarters, I don't know, that was a while ago.

[00:08:00] I was like, that might have been before I even got the microscope.

[00:08:02] Was it in four years or something like that?

[00:08:04] Yeah.

[00:08:04] What was really cool is I got to like push the button to start, I think that might have been before I even got the microscope. Wasn't it? Four years ago. Yeah.

[00:08:05] What was really cool is I got to like push the button to start like basically watching

[00:08:09] guys manufacture the thing.

[00:08:11] And I, you know, I, I peaked into the clean room and all this.

[00:08:14] So I didn't realize all the stuff that went into it.

[00:08:16] So it's, it's pretty cool to know that like that stuff manufactured in Minneapolis, right?

[00:08:20] Yeah.

[00:08:21] And you know, walking, we're at the Chicago man winter, you walk around and you go aisle

[00:08:24] to aisle and you see

[00:08:27] Loop companies left and right. There's a lot of them And you're in your like well, this is a this is a good loop

[00:08:30] It looks like it's a good loop, you know, and you start talking to a sales rep and you have no idea

[00:08:34] You have no idea where they're coming from. Yeah, so at least in our facility if you were to come in for a training

[00:08:40] We're pretty open book you come in and you could do you know take a course

[00:08:43] It's pretty cool

[00:08:44] And then walk around and take a look at the clean room

[00:08:46] and watch the loops being built in front of your eyes.

[00:08:49] Yeah.

[00:08:50] So we're real transparent.

[00:08:51] It was neat.

[00:08:52] It was like, honestly, I'd never seen it like it.

[00:08:54] Because I didn't, you know, the manufacturer,

[00:08:56] it's so funny because, I mean, there's a lot

[00:08:58] of manufacturing in this world and it's a whole different,

[00:09:01] like for a dentist who has a little dental office on it.

[00:09:03] It's pretty cool to see the,

[00:09:04] see how the sausage is made

[00:09:06] on this underpants.

[00:09:07] And that's it, and bringing the students in,

[00:09:09] you know, since we're a Minnesota company,

[00:09:10] you love it having the Minnesota students.

[00:09:13] We had the endo residents come in,

[00:09:14] they did a course, worked on some pig jobs,

[00:09:16] which was a lot of fun.

[00:09:17] And then we just walked them around

[00:09:18] so they could watch loops being built.

[00:09:20] And to them that was a real, you know,

[00:09:22] they'd never seen anything like that.

[00:09:23] So I just got measured for some five fives.

[00:09:26] So I use a pretty high powered loop.

[00:09:29] I've been using, you know how magnification is.

[00:09:32] I, it's, they claim it's, there was a design vision 6.0

[00:09:36] in the big buddy hollies.

[00:09:37] I've been using those for a lot of years now.

[00:09:38] And then what happens is it was,

[00:09:40] my focal length is far away.

[00:09:42] So I'm thinking it's more like about a 4.8 magnification.

[00:09:45] I don't know, it is what it is.

[00:09:46] It's a high magnification.

[00:09:48] I looked into your 5.5 and was,

[00:09:51] I mean I've looked through a lot of loops.

[00:09:53] I was blown away.

[00:09:55] Thank you.

[00:09:56] Like with no headlamp, there was more light coming in.

[00:09:59] I don't know how that worked.

[00:10:01] Because when I looked through my loops without the headlamp,

[00:10:03] it's dark because it's really in tight.

[00:10:05] I mean, that's a six power mag.

[00:10:06] And so I'm curious, I mean, you've had,

[00:10:10] I have an oval loops that are lower magnification.

[00:10:12] I like working at a higher maggier.

[00:10:14] So now you have a fight.

[00:10:15] How does that evolve?

[00:10:16] Like what happened to make it so,

[00:10:18] I mean, I've been bugging you guys about that

[00:10:19] for years actually.

[00:10:21] And it's, you're ready for prime time.

[00:10:23] These are great loops.

[00:10:24] Thank you. No, I think it's,'s you know you can't stay with the same thing

[00:10:28] right you have 300 plus grades of glass. You know there's all different

[00:10:33] coatings you have to constantly look at improving. So we are always looking at

[00:10:37] different glass different coatings. So we feel pretty good at where we're at

[00:10:40] with our angle prisms. You're right. The light gathering properties of them

[00:10:44] they're beautiful. They're really sharp. So the other thing is I want to ask

[00:10:47] you about the ergonomic, I just got told by someone I have to have some of those. I'm

[00:10:52] like, I don't need that. I got four microscopes. I don't really need that. I probably don't

[00:10:55] need those. I'm doing all right with it. But I am curious how, and that was like a year

[00:11:00] and a half or so ago, I think that those came, because I talked to someone at the greater

[00:11:04] New York when you guys

[00:11:05] Were just kind of starting coming out with us. What's the reception been like on the ergonomics?

[00:11:09] I think you know this goes back to 30 years ago when everybody was trying to correct posture

[00:11:14] Yeah, and I if I go way back in time

[00:11:18] When I go way back in time I can remember walking around with my dad at a trade show

[00:11:24] We were talking down earlier and and I can remember looking at his rolled shoulders. And he would point

[00:11:30] out anywhere we'd go he'd be like that's a dentist. So we've always been improving

[00:11:39] the ergonomic body positioning of practitioners over year over year over year. The thing with

[00:11:44] deflection loops, which is your ergo, everybody's calling them ergo, is not new.

[00:11:47] This is something that was started in Japan over 20 years ago for those that

[00:11:52] might have seen them before, it was Pentax. Yeah, I remember that. Pentax

[00:11:56] Hoya was a company. So this is not new, but in Japan they were well received

[00:12:01] because they taught human performance logic. So, for Dr. Rucker, if he's listening, you were the man at bringing human performance logic,

[00:12:10] which was laying a patient on a flat table with a donut under the head.

[00:12:14] Oh my God, I saw it. Do you remember the chairs that they had? It was what the company was.

[00:12:19] It might have been Merida, one of them where they had like, I think you're right.

[00:12:23] You couldn't buy them in the United States. No, but it was a table.

[00:12:26] It was a table.

[00:12:27] And I have to tell you, in what's crazy,

[00:12:30] I'm going to find this on the internet.

[00:12:32] The delivery unit came right out from underneath the chair.

[00:12:36] It's called the space.

[00:12:37] I'm going to find it.

[00:12:38] And of course, just because I love weird stuff like that,

[00:12:41] I chased it down.

[00:12:42] And they didn't sell it in the United States.

[00:12:43] But that is very interesting.

[00:12:45] So if you think about it, if you are laying a patient

[00:12:48] space field, it was called the Space Field.

[00:12:50] Jamerita, space field.

[00:12:51] I'm certain of that.

[00:12:52] I'm going to find it in the show right.

[00:12:54] But it makes, so if you think of deflection loops

[00:12:56] or ergo prism loops, it's looking straight out,

[00:13:01] angled down, hands in front of you,

[00:13:04] if you stay in one spot, patients who find they're perfect.

[00:13:07] That's what they're designed for.

[00:13:09] I think the reception has been fantastic

[00:13:11] because we're seeing a lot of hygienists using them.

[00:13:14] Their chin is up.

[00:13:15] I just talked to a hygienist that she wouldn't go back.

[00:13:17] Chin is up, looking forward, they're feeling really comfortable.

[00:13:21] The challenge is, I think they're a great loop.

[00:13:24] The challenge is, and I want to make this public,

[00:13:26] is that because this is my years of working with loops

[00:13:28] and working with clinicians.

[00:13:31] The thing to remember is that when the patient is supine

[00:13:33] and you have the deflection loops,

[00:13:35] that is one body positioning that is perfect.

[00:13:37] As you raise the patient up,

[00:13:40] then the head tilts backwards in order to see the loop.

[00:13:44] So something to remember for everyone that's using them,

[00:13:47] you have to, it's okay to move the patient a little bit,

[00:13:50] but if you are moving the patient up

[00:13:51] or you have a wheelchair patient,

[00:13:52] you have someone to kick in the chair,

[00:13:54] you wanna go back to your traditional loop.

[00:13:56] So you really need to have both sets.

[00:14:00] I think that I think Ergo loops, deflection loops,

[00:14:03] are wonderful, but they've got to be used properly.

[00:14:06] So for those that are listening that, you know,

[00:14:08] please use them correctly, do not get to the point where you're

[00:14:11] bending your head back or you're going to cause other problems.

[00:14:14] It's different Ergo loops.

[00:14:15] Exactly.

[00:14:16] And then also the second thing is that it's like working with a microscope.

[00:14:20] Yeah.

[00:14:21] So looking straight ahead, chin up.

[00:14:24] It's a very easy transition from using a Ergo loop

[00:14:28] to going into microscopy.

[00:14:31] So if anyone was wanting to dabble a little bit

[00:14:33] for body positioning, learning where your hands come in,

[00:14:37] what a great way to start.

[00:14:38] That's actually an interesting point of how about that.

[00:14:40] If you look at, in fact, you're gonna notice this

[00:14:42] when you get your Ergo loops.

[00:14:44] I assume is that what you ended up getting?

[00:14:45] No, I got traditional.

[00:14:46] I got traditional.

[00:14:47] I got traditional.

[00:14:47] So for anyone that goes in and gets the Ergo Loops,

[00:14:49] if they really want to see what it's like

[00:14:52] to do microscopy, what a great way to learn where your hands go.

[00:14:56] Microscopes, and I'm used to it enough that it's not,

[00:14:58] but it is funny, because you're looking,

[00:14:59] technically you're looking straight ahead.

[00:15:01] And as you were saying with a lot of the,

[00:15:02] some of the microscope people are going,

[00:15:04] well let's just take the optics, the o of the, some of the microscope people are going,

[00:15:05] well let's just take the optics, the oculos,

[00:15:06] right off of it, you know, like Dr. Buchanan

[00:15:08] with his big 3D.

[00:15:09] Oh my gosh, that's a, yeah, you're neat.

[00:15:10] I gotta say for me, and I use a monitor.

[00:15:13] I can, I do exams and I'll stay on the monitor

[00:15:17] for a while when I'm doing exams.

[00:15:18] I don't wanna do an opportunity.

[00:15:19] Maybe someday I will, but I just don't,

[00:15:21] the thing is, obviously you've got a lot of options.

[00:15:23] You've got a lot of options and a lot of different.

[00:15:25] It's very cool.

[00:15:27] Now I know you're big into my cross-species.

[00:15:29] So for you, when would you have wanted to learn that?

[00:15:33] God, it would have been 2011 or something like that.

[00:15:36] Would you have loved to have had that in dental school?

[00:15:38] Yeah, for sure.

[00:15:40] Working over like a sim unit so you could learn that.

[00:15:42] I feel like the other thing about

[00:15:45] microscopes are completely mainstream in endodontics.

[00:15:49] They are not mainstream in the shorted dentistry,

[00:15:51] but I think if people knew,

[00:15:53] they, a lot of people who,

[00:15:58] I can't even describe,

[00:16:00] and I use loops a lot, don't give me a r r.

[00:16:02] I don't use, don't do the microscope for every,

[00:16:03] but every time I get into the microscope,

[00:16:04] I've really got in a groove.

[00:16:07] It's a different animal.

[00:16:08] Like soft tissue moves differently than you think it does.

[00:16:13] When you're in a microscope, soft tissue is a different,

[00:16:15] like if you're packing a core,

[00:16:16] it's very different than loops.

[00:16:17] It's wild.

[00:16:19] The amount of visual information that a microscope gives you

[00:16:22] is way more than what I think.

[00:16:23] And I don't exactly understand why,

[00:16:26] but it's the difference between 720p and 4k.

[00:16:29] I mean, it's like, and make sure

[00:16:31] when you've got a really good light, it's even better.

[00:16:33] Look at the side, I mean, if you look at loops,

[00:16:35] and of course we manufacture loops,

[00:16:37] so I'm a big advocate of loops.

[00:16:38] But if you look at the size of your lenses

[00:16:40] in a loop versus the size of the lenses

[00:16:42] that are in a microscope. There's a lot of

[00:16:45] light, a lot of information that can pass through there. You've got perfectly coaxial

[00:16:49] illumination going through the optics. When we use a loop, it's not the same. It's close,

[00:16:55] but it's not the same. I will say too that I'm a huge fan of the surgical headlamp. My

[00:17:01] headlamp is... It's not overkill. Screw anyone who says

[00:17:05] it is. There's a lot of people say it's just too much. I'm like, I would never go back.

[00:17:08] My surgical headlight is bright as the sun. I love it. And I put disposable sunglasses,

[00:17:14] the foamy's on every patient because my lights between the microscope and my headlamp are

[00:17:18] obnoxious. They're awful. And I understand it. And so I want to give them a good one.

[00:17:23] But you see perfectly. I'm not going to give it up.

[00:17:26] Yeah.

[00:17:27] I'm not going to give it up.

[00:17:28] I've had really good dentists tell me you don't need that

[00:17:30] Much light.

[00:17:31] I'm like, man, that's fine.

[00:17:32] Maybe I'm seeing things too bleached out.

[00:17:34] Man, I don't want to change it.

[00:17:35] It's great.

[00:17:36] It's really good.

[00:17:37] I mean, they, and Opus got a lot of stuff.

[00:17:39] You guys should be checking it out.

[00:17:41] They've got a huge line of microscope.

[00:17:42] It's really funny.

[00:17:43] I'm looking at a different model of the same brand

[00:17:45] that since come out,

[00:17:46] because I like it,

[00:17:47] because like the 2050 I'm interested in,

[00:17:49] and that's what you have in the learning center.

[00:17:51] And everyone in the,

[00:17:52] yeah, I mean, we have,

[00:17:52] it's a smaller footprint than the 32,

[00:17:55] which is the third,

[00:17:55] correct.

[00:17:56] It's amazing.

[00:17:57] It's got similar features.

[00:17:58] And it's a smaller footprint.

[00:17:59] So I'm interested in that.

[00:18:00] I mean, yeah, it's beautiful.

[00:18:01] There's something, I know on social media,

[00:18:03] there's lots of images of the training center, but it's beautiful to see

[00:18:06] in what a great teaching atmosphere

[00:18:08] where you've got microscopes that are zoomed.

[00:18:11] So it's away from this, click, click, click,

[00:18:12] the step, step, step.

[00:18:14] And for those ended on, I said, do listen.

[00:18:16] If you want you go to a zoom, it's really a nice,

[00:18:19] it's being able to dial in perfectly what you want to see

[00:18:21] with your field of view.

[00:18:23] Having the 4K camera in every one of those training scopes,

[00:18:26] you have that monitor off to the side.

[00:18:28] Yeah, it's pretty cool.

[00:18:29] So you can step back, you can take a look,

[00:18:33] and you can try it going heads up like Buchanan does.

[00:18:36] It's not 3D.

[00:18:38] No, but it's a different way.

[00:18:40] If you've not used it, it'll change your life.

[00:18:43] And the nice thing is we're kicking around.

[00:18:45] We're trying to think of I can put on a course for beginners, introductory stuff.

[00:18:50] We'd love to do that.

[00:18:51] I'm thinking we're talking about that.

[00:18:53] I got to figure out how we do it.

[00:18:54] But the reality is that might be the bridge because there's a lot of my listeners because

[00:18:58] I use them.

[00:18:59] There's a lot of people that are restorative dentists that aren't doing primarily endo,

[00:19:02] although God, endo in a scope is such a blast.

[00:19:04] It's a different endo.

[00:19:05] I literally was doing endo last week and I'm like man I wouldn't want to have it without

[00:19:10] I really wouldn't.

[00:19:11] It's just, I mean standard of care for endodontist, every endodontist has one but like it's just-

[00:19:16] Well I think that's why we have a lot of JP's reaching out.

[00:19:18] Because they are doing, the number that I keep hearing is 80% of endo is being down

[00:19:22] by JP's.

[00:19:23] I don't know how accurate that is but knowing that, knowing you can get so much more

[00:19:27] visual information like you said,

[00:19:30] it just gives you a heck of a lot more confidence.

[00:19:32] Yeah, it does.

[00:19:33] I mean, I wouldn't go back for that either.

[00:19:37] I don't do a ton of endo, but frankly,

[00:19:39] I can see why they specialize

[00:19:42] because they get to do this one thing really well under high.

[00:19:44] It's just now, it's a fun procedure that way or it really can be, but a lot's changed for me Man, I can see why they specialize because they get to do this one thing really well under hide.

[00:19:45] It's just now.

[00:19:46] It's a fun procedure that way or it really can be.

[00:19:47] But a lot's changed for me since I got serious about scopes.

[00:19:51] And honestly, I bought my first one in 2011.

[00:19:53] I probably wasn't really serious about them until 2015, 2016.

[00:19:56] You were recording a lot with it?

[00:19:57] Yeah.

[00:19:58] You know what's so funny?

[00:20:00] I have this literally at my fingertips and I don't think to turn it on sometimes.

[00:20:04] It's crazy. Like, there are better and more consistent people than me would say, and I don't think to turn it on sometimes. It's crazy.

[00:20:05] Like there are better and more consistent people than me

[00:20:08] who would say, if I got that scope,

[00:20:10] I'm gonna record everything I do.

[00:20:11] I don't necessarily, but the story is

[00:20:14] the technology continues to improve,

[00:20:17] to make documentation even easier.

[00:20:18] I mean, I should be showing pictures and video

[00:20:22] of what I'm doing all the time.

[00:20:23] You just make it a habit of your workflow, right? I mean, I should be showing pictures and video of what I'm doing all the time. It's gonna be super easy too.

[00:20:25] You just make it a habit of your workflow, right?

[00:20:27] It's great.

[00:20:30] I mean, I didn't even mean to come on for the fact

[00:20:32] that it's the microscope.

[00:20:35] But Enova's kind of your one-stop magnification lighting.

[00:20:38] I mean, literally, they've got, I mean,

[00:20:40] my hygienist use Enova stuff, the headlamps and loops.

[00:20:45] I've got the scope, I'm literally getting new loops.

[00:20:47] And frankly, I just feel like,

[00:20:48] I feel like you guys have really moved into a position.

[00:20:51] It's kind of cool actually to watch it.

[00:20:53] We appreciate it, we appreciate it.

[00:20:54] A lot of years, I brought a lot of people over

[00:20:57] that I had worked with in the past.

[00:20:59] You got a staff of, your team is great.

[00:21:01] Your team is so good, you're doing so good.

[00:21:03] A lot of experience, a lot of fun.

[00:21:06] But for those that have much got anyone in the United States

[00:21:08] Covered, if they're interested, you've got someone to cover

[00:21:10] them.

[00:21:11] Is that right?

[00:21:12] Yeah, we do.

[00:21:13] I'm going to put pictures of my new loops up like crazy because

[00:21:15] People need to start, oh my god, they're so good.

[00:21:17] If you're looking to go up a step, I even tried the, I think

[00:21:19] The four fives.

[00:21:20] Oh my gosh, it's like you put them on, even with no light.

[00:21:23] It's so bright.

[00:21:24] I don't know how you do it, but it's really cool. So if you're thinking of bumping up, it's like you put them on even with no light. It's so bright. I don't know how you do it

[00:21:25] But yeah, it's really cool. So if you're thinking of bumping up

[00:21:27] It's time and then over is the company for sure. I know that everyone who uses loops wants to go up

[00:21:32] They they're like oh I need to try going up well do this this is worth it. So all right Scott

[00:21:36] Thanks for being on this day. Oh, we have a lovely hopefully we'll have some news about maybe doing some education stuff over there

[00:21:42] I got it

[00:21:42] I'm gonna get over to Minneapolis to see the Teaching Center and all that stuff.

[00:21:45] So we'll figure out.

[00:21:46] Yeah, check out our website.

[00:21:47] We have an education component of the website that we'll be putting in all the courses and

[00:21:52] you can sign up through the website.

[00:21:54] Okay.

[00:21:55] So hopefully we get you in there.

[00:21:56] What's really cool is they've got, you need to check it out because literally the people

[00:21:59] that are teaching over there's changing daily.

[00:22:01] They've got some really heavy hitters.

[00:22:03] We know Buchanan's coming in April.

[00:22:06] Exactly.

[00:22:07] There's a lot of endo education just because it's sort of.

[00:22:09] But we need to get restorative stuff too because we need to get it up just a bit.

[00:22:12] We did.

[00:22:13] Very good Scott.

[00:22:14] We'll talk to you soon.

[00:22:15] Thank you.