Very Dental: Have We Given Up on Prevention? with Teeth Talk Girl Whitney Difoggio

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[00:01:46] Welcome to the very dental podcast where you'll find entertaining and relevant conversations with

[00:01:52] visionaries, clinicians and your friends in the dental space. Now here's your host Dr. Alan Mead.

[00:01:58] Very dental people welcome back another episode of the very dental podcast.

[00:02:03] I've been saying live. It's not live. This is recorded. It's not live but I'm live in Chicago,

[00:02:09] the mid-winner, 2024 sitting in the beautiful podcasting booth that they put together. I feel like

[00:02:15] if they keep doing this I will definitely keep coming. My view I've been coming through a thousand years

[00:02:20] but joining me to co-host today Whitney DeFogio. Thank you for coming. Whitney actually has

[00:02:28] been on the show. We figure it might have been 20 or 2019 we're not exactly sure. They didn't have

[00:02:34] this booth back then. We just sat on, yeah, we actually sat like over by right around here.

[00:02:39] The same area. The far edge and we were just kind of goofing around. There were couches and then

[00:02:44] there were people doing yoga. Now it's all official. We're in a quiet booth. I love to take credit.

[00:02:51] I literally didn't sign up yesterday. You're supposed to sign up. No one was in here. I'm like,

[00:02:56] I'll just come in here. Perfect. They came in and said we saw you in here yesterday. I'm like,

[00:03:01] I'm sorry. I signed up for today actually. Oh, you have to sign up. But they gave me a press pass.

[00:03:07] That's what I am. What does that get me? She says nothing. I'm like, okay. Excellent.

[00:03:13] You're allowed in the podcast. Yeah, apparently. Oh, but that's what it is. Maybe.

[00:03:17] And I was like, I wasn't legal. You were a dentist when you're a podcast. I'm such a radical.

[00:03:23] It's crazy. So Whitney is a high genist and she is, I hate to use the term because all actual

[00:03:29] influencers hate the term influencer. Am I right? You, yeah. I thought it was just me who didn't

[00:03:34] like it. But that's good to know others are like, yeah, I don't know. I don't consider you an

[00:03:39] influencer. I don't consider myself an influencer. So I hate because I'm old.

[00:03:43] You're old people can't be influencers in the same way. No, you're not. You're just

[00:03:48] I'm close to being an elder millennial. I'm not a younger millennial. I'm closer to elder.

[00:03:53] I think I'm right smack-dagged in the middle. But if you had to choose elder millennia,

[00:03:56] that still means you're young. I'm smack-dab in the middle of Gen X girlfriend. Girlfriend.

[00:04:02] Like when I was a kid we had rotary phones. That's what I'm saying. Andrew machines didn't exist.

[00:04:07] I'm just just putting out there. But in any case, well it tells me this that yeah,

[00:04:12] like influencer culture does seem to lean young. But but I do think that like and I only say it

[00:04:17] because you have a lot of content on on Instagram. I have to say you probably have a TikTok too.

[00:04:21] I don't follow TikTok at all. So are you a TikTok person? So I'm trying to get into it.

[00:04:24] Okay. I am yeah. I love my Instagram. You know what's so funny? My Instagram is like all

[00:04:29] dead. We'll give everyone your Instagram just think about it. At Teeth Talk Girl. Teeth Talk Girl.

[00:04:33] I have a liner's in right now so if I'm listening that is why. I feel like the

[00:04:37] liners give you lots of credibility. I'm trying not to let you know why you're

[00:04:41] walking the walk baby. Okay, I'm doing it. Yeah. I almost didn't wear them today. And I was like no

[00:04:45] this is the place I have to wear them. I agree. I agree. I agree. You have to flutcel.

[00:04:49] Yeah. I totally agree. But it's hard to snack. You know about that. It's like oh do I want

[00:04:54] to snack? Do I want to nod? My son had had in Visaline for I think he's in it for close to two

[00:04:59] years. He got almost like 11 right and you're thinking oh man I'm 11 year old boy. Yeah.

[00:05:04] He hated his teeth so much. He was he was he was rock star. Did you do it for him? No, I did

[00:05:10] I didn't worth it on his friend real farm and honestly he's he does so well like 11 year old

[00:05:14] boys are probably not the Democrat like like no I'd be like your boy sure okay they're going to

[00:05:19] rot their teeth up and everything or the compliance yeah he never missed never missed is unbelievable

[00:05:24] and it really was it was a great it was a great job but you're like I have to say the 11 year old

[00:05:29] boys in my practice I would not bet on them compared to Jacob Jacob but Jacob hated his teeth so much

[00:05:34] he had he had my teeth. Well you have nice teeth that I'll say. Yeah I didn't I here's the thing

[00:05:39] the needs all of them mom side dad side we have much bigger jaws than we have teeth okay so

[00:05:46] which is a different orthodontic problem and not the most most common is is the opposite where

[00:05:50] you're crowded yeah so Jacob his front teeth just like mine when I was a little kid flared

[00:05:55] out it big spaces he hated that yeah my dad had me in in braces he's a dentist had me in

[00:06:01] wire braces when I was like I bet you I was embracing I was 11 I was the worth or who pays and

[00:06:07] I was the worst ortho patient ever I lost retainers I I busted like I ate bit of honey's and

[00:06:13] shit like that you wouldn't have been good at the aligners is that right to line okay you would

[00:06:18] not write you wouldn't grab the braces yeah your son's great at that he was but you're not

[00:06:23] supposed to snack is that what you're telling me well I don't know I need to talk to your son maybe

[00:06:26] he will inspire me but maybe he'll give you some tips on snacking it's just when you you have to

[00:06:30] take him out to snack yeah yeah and then I'm not putting them back in my mouth without brushing

[00:06:34] and philosophy yeah I'm not gonna trap whatever's up in the you know what I mean great trap I go yeah so

[00:06:38] I just gargle with a little mountain doing snap and I have to tongue scrape I have to do the

[00:06:43] holding before I put the back so you're it's time consuming so I'm like is it worth the snack having

[00:06:47] to do all that pretty good snack I mean it's got a good snack yeah so are you saying in this bag

[00:06:52] that you have you've got the whole gear so you can I do I could even fit it's a toothbrush and I

[00:06:57] was nervous because I knew my phone would fit yeah but with my phone I have my little what do

[00:07:01] you call it the container that holds the yeah the trays them is like what it's a tray holder

[00:07:06] holder thank you I could fit the holder in there but I can't for my phone yeah but I was like no

[00:07:10] I need to bring that holder yeah if there's a snack I need to take them out yeah and I got

[00:07:14] little brushes I got you really do okay you're not in there okay so this woman walks the walk

[00:07:18] I think that's I think that's the that's the episode title I do I do kind of love it though actually it's

[00:07:23] a you gotta do how long how why did you do in visline what what did you need to change so my lower

[00:07:32] canine you can see it sorry to people listening cannot but yeah it's great great audio part

[00:07:37] I'll vouch for it's true she's showing me true because like 27 yeah it was just rotating rotating

[00:07:44] I had braces when I was young however they gave me this is so interesting and like nobody ever

[00:07:48] talks about this I feel like but they instead of doing a permanent retainer you know the metal

[00:07:52] permanent or doing the in visline looking retainers they gave me a uh in and out a removable metal

[00:07:59] yeah and like my I wore it every single night because you've seen I'm a regimented I have

[00:08:04] and my canine just started rotating yeah yeah I don't think the thing was made right there

[00:08:09] what it did engage right to work yeah it was just like putting the bar yeah it was very old school

[00:08:13] and it's just I put the bar there but my teeth all so I'm someone who did follow all the rules

[00:08:17] then you'd still yeah but it's so it's been bothering me and I was like I'm just gonna do it

[00:08:21] let's do it funny human beings like it okay just like everything in dentistry yeah figure they

[00:08:26] paid a ton of money for it yeah it's forever yeah it's forever and here's the thing your teeth

[00:08:31] start moving as soon as you're out of the stuff really and truly and I wore it every night

[00:08:34] but I do do you feel like the clear aligners hold your cheap in place better

[00:08:38] I think so I think so I think there's a lot I have a lot of patients that are pretty happy with

[00:08:41] that retainer I gotta tell you I have a lot of patients that are my age holds on to them that have

[00:08:45] that have bonded those bonded lower interiors yeah well those are as I join us to clean them forget

[00:08:50] about it but they I think they help a little holding the teeth but I sure but they're very hard to

[00:08:55] grow yeah in the thing about it is even if even if you place them well they're still

[00:09:00] really I mean this is you have to be committed to that stuff you know the funny thing about

[00:09:04] being a hygienist I have like satisfaction cleaning around them because I kind of like oh this

[00:09:08] is gonna be fun I get to get an awful lot of cover this is however I get stressed because of

[00:09:11] the time yeah right like if I had enough time to do it yeah in the you know appointment I'd be

[00:09:17] happy to be clean so my sister had a bonded retainer like that for at my sister's older to me my

[00:09:22] sister's now she's 54 yeah she's I center doing orthodontic doing business I took the I took her

[00:09:28] bond retainer off so it was starting to break down stuff yeah her teeth are all loose oh yeah like

[00:09:33] it's that like she is yeah we think that we think that we can help a lot like she she's a tongue

[00:09:38] thruster for sure so she was trusting instead of individual teeth she's trusting it as a as a unit

[00:09:43] because her bond together you're like oh my god yeah it's she's making progress and she is she is if

[00:09:49] in viseline has an avatar of the person that should be in my sister is in and she's like you she's

[00:09:54] doing it yeah she wouldn't she would follow every direction she would yeah she's very so I think

[00:09:59] it'll be good for but the rules on the homework yeah sorry I think I went on a tangent I was like

[00:10:04] yeah that's where you're for oh that was like I think you asked me about my Instagram and I started

[00:10:08] just talking about it I don't even know so so Instagram you were talking about you were you're

[00:10:12] starting to go in TikTok would you like your Instagram okay I love Instagram okay this is

[00:10:16] what it's fun so I started on YouTube when I started doing on my teeth talks teeth talk stuff oh

[00:10:20] that's it that's alright it's there was pretty to dental pocket they get appreciated yeah and especially

[00:10:25] with please remember I have been the I'm the chosen yeah that's why I'm talking yeah okay so I started

[00:10:30] on YouTube I love YouTube YouTube and I baby right interesting yeah yeah that's where started I

[00:10:34] started before tic-tac was invented right and Instagram was around but it was so no one was vlogging

[00:10:41] there was no stories there were no stories yet which is voted you remember so anyway I had an

[00:10:45] Instagram but no yeah YouTube's my baby that's where everything happens I I have like mostly consumers

[00:10:50] on on YouTube yeah I have a good amount of professionals that watch my YouTube videos but there's

[00:10:54] a lot of just patients that are excited about wellness and dental health and I love that yeah yeah

[00:10:59] Instagram funny enough my main audience is all dental people sure right either students people

[00:11:03] interested in the dental world sure there's some consumers but the main majority isn't so I love

[00:11:08] my Instagram because it's all my dental beach hall do you have do you have to you have to make

[00:11:11] different content for your different platform funny I don't I saw I shoot it I probably show you

[00:11:15] how what I do is I try to lie used whatever it long story short what I've come to the conclusion is

[00:11:22] everything that's for consumers or for patients right like dental health tips yep what I found

[00:11:27] is that dental professionals also they've told me and they're like hey I used your video about I

[00:11:33] don't know what's the difference between black and Carter for patient for patient yeah oh wow

[00:11:37] yeah they're like hey I saw your plaque in tartar video I obviously know the difference between

[00:11:40] plaque and tartar calculus or whatever you want to call it yeah they're like I actually the way

[00:11:44] you phrased it in your video that's how I'm saying it to my patients yeah like oh so the

[00:11:48] professionals are watching this too oh my gosh I just spent and hit your mic on you're okay

[00:11:51] so I'm struggling with these aligners everybody please this is oh this is only this is week three

[00:11:56] if everyone doesn't know so it's pretty new I'm trying to figure this life out thank you

[00:12:00] for tons like what makes fifths so anyway yeah so I love my Instagram community because it's all

[00:12:07] the the dental peeps but I am trying to make more content like specific for a dental person you know

[00:12:12] I get it your chair positioning you know stuff that a consumer wouldn't care about so I try to do

[00:12:16] a little bit of both now but I my passion is patient education I'm grad school right now I don't

[00:12:21] know if it's just I mean I'm getting my masters in health communication oh wow and so oh my gosh

[00:12:26] what I love it so I did a lot of I was almost going to do my like end of your thesis capstone on

[00:12:31] patient provider communication and how to improve it and all that and I love that I'm just so

[00:12:35] much writing throughout this program I'm in my last semester right now and I thought that was

[00:12:38] going to be my capstone and but I changed it last minute and what I'm writing about now is dental

[00:12:44] misinformation on social media oh my gosh there's that's that's a that's a ripe last minute I was

[00:12:49] like you know at this not that patient provider education isn't important but I was I've been

[00:12:53] seeing so much misinformation lately that's just like wild like switch with celery season so what

[00:12:58] you're saying you probably I probably shouldn't give you this big two of charcoal two things you know

[00:13:04] it's so funny I've seen wilder ones though like we know about you know the ones we've heard but like

[00:13:08] switch with celery if you heard this one switch with celery juice if you and then you don't

[00:13:13] need a root canal it gets rid of your that's the new one I love I love you talking about people

[00:13:20] who don't actually know what any of these stuff is yes they have an infected tooth and they're like no

[00:13:23] no I don't do any bad I'm like you don't need to anybody I can remove the infection you need

[00:13:27] it you know they're like no no I switch for cellar juice in the pain win away and I try to explain

[00:13:30] like your tooth might have died but that doesn't mean the infection's gone there could be an

[00:13:33] absence I try to explain all this stuff and you're spoken to a brick wall because that's what you're

[00:13:37] doing yes it is but I'm trying to change it and that's why I'm doing mine that's a really it's a

[00:13:40] really here's the thing okay there has to be strategies something I wanted to talk to you about

[00:13:44] something I want to talk to you about and now I this is even an even more perfect topic yeah

[00:13:48] than I thought okay cuz I lately have been seeing I think that dentists god this is terrible

[00:13:55] I'm gonna say dentists have more or less given up on prevention right you're feeling

[00:14:01] oh I'm not a dentist I know I know I know you work with them I do I am a dentist and I'm like okay

[00:14:06] so one thing I just I want to speak for dentists we were we were do you feel that way I do

[00:14:11] okay because a couple things first off so much of our continued education is pointed towards high

[00:14:17] dollar high revenue don't save the tooth we should just put it in planted here and I mean I

[00:14:23] feel strongly that's that's the wrong way to go you can argue about that but I also think that

[00:14:28] I think dentists give lip service to prevention I really do I because here's the thing I hear

[00:14:34] here's here's my proof of that and I've never been wrong about that okay yeah dentists do you have

[00:14:41] a space in your office where you have a mirror where where someone can watch the patient brush their

[00:14:47] teeth and floss because if you don't you probably don't really care that much about prevention I don't

[00:14:52] have that yet I'm going to I'm convinced that oral hygiene instruction when when you can't I know

[00:14:59] you you must be feeling me because yeah yeah you can go through the motions and explain it but

[00:15:04] the reality is like if you want to know that a patient understands the treatment you're offering

[00:15:09] as a dentist explain it to him then stop and say how did you tell me what I like explained back

[00:15:14] to me why I said I mean of course it's very condescending yeah you don't want to act like that

[00:15:19] reality is sometimes like I want to make sure we're on the same page yeah explain to me what we're

[00:15:23] going to do here and that's the same way is if you can actually give them a brush give them some

[00:15:28] floss in because no one wants to show you how they do it no they don't want to look stupid yeah

[00:15:33] I want to show yeah you know it's so interesting I'm a dental on my videos on YouTube I have a how

[00:15:37] to floss video yeah and I used to I did it on a type of dog right and all the you know a bunch of

[00:15:41] the comments were yelling at me like okay well that was easy show me on your own mouth like how do you

[00:15:45] do it on your I was like you're right you're right so I showed it my own mouth yeah and people

[00:15:49] were freaking out like I'm 43 years old been flossing around the whole my whole life thanks for

[00:15:53] this video I have so many yeah I'll put all that in the show notes so people can see it but yeah

[00:15:57] oh yeah that was it's a huge thing nice yeah it's just how to floss your teeth at night did it

[00:16:01] in my own mouth you know whatever and you know so many people you know what's wrong this is what's

[00:16:05] wrong too the movies and the TV shows out there do you ever see how they floss they go back and

[00:16:10] forth they see saw yeah why is everyone see saw on TV you're supposed to go up and down you can

[00:16:14] scrape the sides of the teeth what's everyone see so it's it's honestly they don't know when you

[00:16:18] understand that flossing gets surfaces of the teeth that you if you could brush all the surfaces

[00:16:23] you would yeah you know everyone just floss it yeah Jennifer Amison wow anything so it's

[00:16:29] damn picks which I know if one loves the pics with the reality is that it's hard to pick sort of

[00:16:33] almost looks like a little tooth saw I have a how to how to use the pick correctly video too because

[00:16:39] that you know if they some are more bendy like if someone's only going to use the pick then

[00:16:42] let me work with it but you got it but I of course prefer string floss but yeah Jennifer Amison

[00:16:47] rooted for us all know I'm just kidding I just remember I've seen her in most I like it I've

[00:16:50] seen her in multiple movies using those flossers wrong I'm like what are you doing good friend

[00:16:55] well it is it is funny though because there's there's a part of this that it's like you can't

[00:17:01] we care about this stuff so much more than than people do but I do think that if they realize that

[00:17:07] okay let me just tell you this I have a URL a domain that I've owned for years call 363 days

[00:17:15] dot com why would I do that because most people are on their own for 363 days of the year

[00:17:22] they see us twice a year I love that and it was I wanted to make it a prevention thing because

[00:17:26] here's the thing like you got you got to do as well as we do a 363 days a year and and it's frustrating

[00:17:35] to me because and I can't say that I'm doing a good job with this because I'm busy trying to

[00:17:40] be a dentist but I do believe that like so much of what I do you got some a new cavity okay so I'm

[00:17:47] putting it filling in a tooth that's had restorations that are breaking down I need to put a crown

[00:17:51] on it yeah there's that that life cycle of the tooth I hate to say dying I know some but the

[00:17:56] reality is is like you know once you've interceded on a tooth the world is like this nothing lasts

[00:18:02] forever so you've got you know ideally you do the smallest intervention you can but the reality is

[00:18:07] that if you never had to do the intervention in the first place okay so like everyone goes yeah

[00:18:12] well that's what prevention's about people don't do it no people don't and I honestly think people

[00:18:17] don't really believe that won't happen to me it's not gonna happen to me I mean cavity satsang

[00:18:21] they believe it I love 363 that's amazing and I do have to say that was a great segue into something

[00:18:26] else I should definitely say yeah so I started I I worked well I helped develop it's called better

[00:18:31] mouth yeah and it's it's an interactive platform it's kind of like a it's like an app yeah but it's

[00:18:37] not an app it's I don't know I'm not explaining this well already but long story short I always say

[00:18:41] this you have your six month cleanings we can only do so much it's what you do every day in between

[00:18:46] those six months yeah and I have a lot of patients that's like joke with me they're like Whitney I wish

[00:18:50] I could just take you home with me so you can brush and floss for me and I'm like no so I do I'm on

[00:18:54] this this interactive platform called better mouth now and it's you get a morning text message it

[00:18:59] reminds you to brush and it gives all this information I like helped them create the content because

[00:19:04] I was like hold on I want to make sure all the content is correct you know what I mean so yeah in

[00:19:06] the morning it gives you all the information there's a two minute video or song that you send

[00:19:10] to make sure you brush the two minutes and then after it and then the morning ones really short and

[00:19:14] then the night one it's like a minute or two on a fun fact about dental hygiene like did you

[00:19:19] know about a tongue scraper did you know about the pH of your mouth did you you know nutritional counseling

[00:19:24] stuff like that so yeah better mouth I've been like so I don't even plan to talk about that here but yeah

[00:19:28] I've been loving better mouth what a good idea is it like is it on your phone or is that so you

[00:19:33] you sign up better mouth.com okay and they send you text messages and then in a text message there's

[00:19:37] a link and it sends you to like you get a page each day like day one day two day three it's like

[00:19:40] a 30-day challenge and once you get through the 30 days there's also like a new brush anymore

[00:19:45] right all right the goal is that now you know everything you can do there's instructional tutorials

[00:19:50] I have my videos in there like linked on some of them and showing how to hold floss some people just

[00:19:55] they're like hey I could do it I just don't know how to hold this listen every oral hygiene

[00:19:58] instruction I've ever seen or done there's a lot of assumptions made we should not make we should

[00:20:04] why would any why should I assume that these people I mean honestly it's sort of like

[00:20:09] do you know how to blow your nose probably yeah like it's all these personal

[00:20:12] with the railings is that really show it up brushing there's there's strategies for crying out

[00:20:20] flossing like forcing is not easy yeah forcing takes a lot of dexterity and and the assumption is

[00:20:25] oh I'm brushing I'm flossing frankly I God love these patients but I don't know that they're doing

[00:20:30] right now so I watch them right as I see them and if you could if you could correct them the two

[00:20:34] days the year that we see them yeah and then maybe with something like that they'll remind them to

[00:20:38] in mind you can't you can't live their life for them no you the other thing is you can't care

[00:20:44] more than they do which is a real struggle for me right but for the people that want that

[00:20:48] extra help and ask me for that I always tell them about better mouth because I'm like hey you're

[00:20:51] gonna love this yeah it's like literally gonna help the people that want to do better they're

[00:20:55] probably already doing well too that's the thing however I have had some right that is true that's

[00:20:59] a good correlation I have had some people still struggling with like mental health or depression

[00:21:04] and things like that are even ADHD they've told me like Whitney I just like can't bring myself

[00:21:08] to do it I know I'm supposed to that's interesting and I'm like oh and so I've had a few patients

[00:21:12] tell me like you know what thank you like that helped me I mean 30 30 30 days is over and now I

[00:21:16] think I need to do it again you know what I mean I love that yeah it's something to just help

[00:21:20] motivate you know sometimes it's the motivation you know it's right and but anyway yeah so yeah

[00:21:25] I love her best so thank you for being here I have this concern though about like yeah

[00:21:29] like I feel like dentistry is moving towards towards uh okay dental implants obviously are amazing

[00:21:35] service in frankly you know there's plenty of people with the dental spaces they're playing

[00:21:39] but I feel like I feel like it's easier to go big picture and say I just need to do like a

[00:21:44] full arch of implant first up around me there's not a lot of people are gonna pay for that but

[00:21:48] secondly I mean but there are a lot of people doing it and a lot of people and I think this is like

[00:21:54] when you look big picture and you see that they're having a lot of dental problems you're not

[00:21:57] doing very well I can see why you're like you know what this person's gonna do better without teeth

[00:22:01] with the story is that's there's a lot to that if this is a 35 year old they've got potentially

[00:22:08] 35 40 50 years in this thing yeah they haven't had teeth that long and frankly they didn't take

[00:22:13] care of what God gave them all that well either so you're like in frankly the answer I mean those

[00:22:19] things aren't that easy to take care of either like there's a lot for that and unfortunately

[00:22:26] a lot of dentists are seeing you know dental benefit reimbursement going down like you want to do

[00:22:32] more I don't I mean I don't mind throwing my profession out of the boss about this because it's real

[00:22:36] and a bunch of it's like here I'm here and I want to make a bunch of money my thing is like

[00:22:40] dentists can make a really good living just doing regular stuff and I really believe that I think

[00:22:45] I think if we if we took prevention seriously I will say this I don't know how to change

[00:22:51] behavior very well right right right and typically what I know about from my in my history with

[00:22:56] addiction behavior changes when you want it to change when you wanted something different that's

[00:23:01] the only time it really like like you know recovering addicts and alcoholics get better when

[00:23:06] they decide they they don't want to do this anymore you know and I know it sounds a little silly but

[00:23:10] the reality is like that's the reality you can talk to a patient who's having I mean okay perio sucks

[00:23:16] because once you have perio the best you're ever going to be is right now with your bone levels

[00:23:22] and so might you certainly have less information to do a better job but frankly people don't

[00:23:27] we're just trying to not make it worse right and if you've already got decay going to maintain

[00:23:31] oh yeah it's the best you can do is where you are right now it's like and honestly people with

[00:23:36] perio have greater risk for perio now yeah people with decay of course they have

[00:23:40] like every cavity in your mouth it's a giant nitrous for bacteria that will do more decay and frankly

[00:23:44] it's diet I'm preaching the cry area but no I know I'm loving you are a team dental hygiene

[00:23:50] I am I am except I want to figure out like first off there's a lot of really cool technologies

[00:23:55] that that can make what we do in the office better but I actually feel like I want the magic one to

[00:24:01] help people at home understand that this is a big responsibility yes the motivation you don't want

[00:24:06] to see me yeah you've got to do a lot yeah and frankly sorry patients you're probably not doing

[00:24:11] a very good job I just filmed a video I didn't post it yet it's how to avoid the dentist

[00:24:17] seriously I was scared to post it because I was like hold on yeah you know I made my disclaimer

[00:24:20] at the beginning it's only for but I knew people maybe click it hopefully well I didn't post it

[00:24:24] yet maybe when this comes out but um I yeah I was like if avoiding the dentist my disclaimer

[00:24:29] it's only to see them for the exams that's what you want yeah yeah you want yeah easy the reality is

[00:24:34] is like what you really want is you want the hygienists to have almost nothing to do yeah that's

[00:24:41] true that's gonna be there and you'd rather have the dentist talk about your kids soccer team

[00:24:45] yes longer than oh my god we've got three rukin just like an oral health check that's easy

[00:24:50] yeah doesn't everyone want to also it's less expensive for everyone involved yes less time is a

[00:24:55] and like wouldn't it be great if your job was less making sure you scrape every surface

[00:25:02] in a um then if your job was like actually watching them brush their teeth and giving them pointers

[00:25:10] and knowing that they're doing a good job and that's why I do what I do on YouTube because I feel

[00:25:14] like I kind of get to do that you know what I mean yeah well my individual patients I used to not

[00:25:18] tell them that I made YouTube videos because I was stressed like that they would think I don't know

[00:25:21] YouTube had such a stigma for a while but now I think there's enough professionals on YouTube

[00:25:25] but yeah close my mind how I mean tons of my patients know that I've been doing a podcast for 10

[00:25:30] years I don't think I've had one I've had a couple to I don't think I don't think I've heard it

[00:25:35] one of them honestly yeah they're just like oh okay cool yeah and I think I think they don't care

[00:25:42] yeah it's not really for them all I don't mind the most thing to it yeah it is funny how like I

[00:25:47] mean you are a content creator I am a con it's different kinds of content to say but you know

[00:25:53] um I should ask you this yeah do you ever feel like you just have to constantly feed the beast

[00:25:58] you know what I mean like you can't I put out three episodes a week okay and I mean

[00:26:02] I have other people on the on the network recording so it's not all me recording but I actually

[00:26:07] do all the editing it's I mean the reality is that oh you do all your own yeah yeah I like it

[00:26:11] I'm really fast at I'm doing it for as long as I'm pretty good at it yeah pretty good at it but

[00:26:15] but the reality is like audio editing I don't like I like video editing really oh I think

[00:26:19] videos way harder I think audio is way harder because I can't pay attention or something and I'm

[00:26:23] like wait I need to be listen you know the funny thing I do I figured probably eight years into

[00:26:28] this deal uh-huh you can actually take the entire the entire file and you can you can compress it

[00:26:35] so it goes faster uh-huh but it's it's understandable it's crazy I've I've in that really has changed

[00:26:40] my life I can like I'm in a crunch I can knock out an hour episode epit-editing for in 30 minutes

[00:26:45] yeah I don't think my brain could listen that quick I've heard I've listened to podcasts on quick

[00:26:50] when it's like an advertisement and I listen yeah I listen I listened to everything I'm one and a half

[00:26:55] I go there you go and I'm okay but then I really can't be digit it's going so fast even though

[00:26:59] I talk fast but regardless that's cool in any case but do you feel like I feel like for me

[00:27:04] sometimes like I love coming here because I've got I've got months worth of content things up here

[00:27:09] now so but sometimes you feel like you're behind the eight ball and I mean the the solution if you

[00:27:15] want followers and consistency you have to be consistent you know that story right yeah so I I like

[00:27:20] to batch I'm a bachelor I do two full length videos a week two seasons and there's this and then

[00:27:25] every day I post a short so like either on YouTube or real or tiktok uh-huh that's very

[00:27:30] consistent the shorts boy I love it but it's so 70s a week right but the shorts believe it or not

[00:27:36] take me like way along in that funny because they're just so new and you want that you they need to be

[00:27:41] so exciting the whole entire time whereas along from video this person's already here for long

[00:27:45] for them so they're going to listen yeah whereas other person you have to keep their attention

[00:27:48] for the 30 seconds you know what I mean it's a lot yeah so I don't know how do you edit on how do

[00:27:52] you edit final cut pro however I would what do you when you well I use auditions for audio and I've

[00:27:58] been using audition for since I started yeah I mean grad band is fine I just you know it's really

[00:28:03] funny I just know once you start using a software you know it yeah you'll never change because I

[00:28:08] don't want to learn you do something exactly I would I need to learn final cut because I need to

[00:28:11] learn Adobe because there's so much cooler things you could do with Adobe Adobe is funny because they

[00:28:16] they've got so much I don't have I don't want to add up the money because I that too they're like

[00:28:20] 50 bucks a month yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah just their software for a lot of months yeah so now I have

[00:28:23] I'm very lucky to have a video editor doing my full length videos yeah yeah because I just I know

[00:28:27] that makes sense because they just said the short form it takes part but yeah but the long

[00:28:31] form also takes time yeah they're long and I just really don't have time how do you how do you

[00:28:35] do it like what's like like what's our process you have a do you have a day where you record every six

[00:28:40] weeks I batch every six weeks I film 14 videos 14 full length yeah 14 shorts and 14 like TikTok

[00:28:48] reels wow so I literally whatever is 14 times three I don't even want to think about it how many hours

[00:28:54] do you record so it takes us like five or four hours usually we're we're getting good at you

[00:28:58] stick me like nine hours you know what I mean but now I'm just boom boom because I have a teleprompter

[00:29:02] now so I'm boom boom I batched out the six weeks so it takes me a long time to write let's just

[00:29:07] say it's not like you can just go record it all right so the six weeks in between I am working on

[00:29:12] what it's gonna be yeah and then so the six weeks I'm working on the next video batch and I'm

[00:29:16] like getting the editing or organized for the ones I'm gonna post I'm always three months ahead

[00:29:20] which is like a cool thing I'm very proud of however it's confusing because you want to be

[00:29:24] topical sometimes yeah and then I have to squeeze something in and you know how it goes luckily

[00:29:28] you can't you can't get away with that if you're like your current events podcast

[00:29:31] you're so I would never go to say this because I know a lot of podcasters who are way ahead

[00:29:36] of the game with their stuff I am like I will likely something I recorded today will likely go out

[00:29:42] on Friday this week I mean yeah week from today or we yeah so you are on it because you're

[00:29:50] happy I'm on it I'm I'm flying by the sea to my pants the beautiful thing is as I got

[00:29:54] enough content I can take a couple breaths okay now I will do one episode that is almost always

[00:29:58] just a monologue of me okay well I think it's something in the car something like that and what's

[00:30:02] really funny is that is a people a lot of people like it yeah a lot of people you have such a

[00:30:08] soothing voice a lot of people are like whatever but but I think what's really funny is a lot of

[00:30:13] times those episodes come to me in one piece I don't write anything down I go boom oh we're just

[00:30:20] ad lib improv but but I've I've spoken into a microphone so much now it's easier for me it's really

[00:30:27] I will there are times I'm like I have an episode I have that needs to come out tomorrow and it'll

[00:30:31] be Sunday afternoon and that's a Monday and I'll do it oh no in fact I do that more often than

[00:30:36] what and frankly that's not kind of love really so you're some of these almost it's almost improvisation

[00:30:42] almost it sounds like it's the same thing here I don't I didn't know what I was gonna ask you but

[00:30:47] I had no worries that we're just yeah yeah I love chatting but if it's something where I need to

[00:30:51] get like talking you're doing you're doing then I get nervous because I'm like I kind of want

[00:30:55] to tell a prompt or does anyone have a tell me really talk so do you you write the stuff right

[00:30:59] every single script and I I literally write it verbatim okay verbatim there's only add something

[00:31:04] you know what I mean and I feel like I'm getting I when I tell people I will to my own horn on

[00:31:08] I'm getting okay I reading a teleprop well I'm not a skill yeah I'm not a skill list I was

[00:31:13] cracking up for school yeah forget school we had to do a class and there was like reading a

[00:31:18] teleprompter in all my classmates were freaking out and I was like this is gonna be great

[00:31:22] I was because I'm always the one struggling writing papers because I have biology and chemistry under

[00:31:26] ed like I don't know health communication I don't want to write like so I always struggled

[00:31:29] writing but the teleprompter came and I'm like hello that's awesome that was great so that's

[00:31:34] I mean I'm still not even that good oh my god but it's so weird you record your videos so my house

[00:31:40] I have I have done a chair you know it's okay it's um and it's our guest bedroom so if anyone wants

[00:31:45] to get guests who are all that you have a lot of different people that are on it so a lot of

[00:31:48] the very multiple they've been on the list so yeah I think for a smith and they're so nice I've

[00:31:52] had people at this conference asked me like hey I like that guy Ben he's so funny so yes my

[00:31:56] friends so I had a background in theater yeah I thought it was gonna be an actress no I don't believe

[00:32:00] really oh I'm kidding why did you say like that okay I'm like oh my god okay so sarke has a

[00:32:07] mining that work I didn't mean to be so I get well if you've ever seen anything you've done on

[00:32:12] in two days you can see the theater back all my friends are my friends from theater yeah and they

[00:32:16] all just pretend to be my patients a lot of people are like are your patients just signing up for

[00:32:20] this I was like absolutely not I was like it's my friends who come over and we're and I'm like

[00:32:24] they're like just give me a script let's let's go through a bunch and so I just tell them what to say

[00:32:28] we have a dental operator we have fun so yeah we have fun you know it doesn't work like you can't

[00:32:33] do anything on it but you could sit on it pretend that you're there and then like our our what is

[00:32:37] the call step baby next step the wall we want to make it look like an office and we bought those

[00:32:43] like those cabinets that you put in a garage they're like floating cabinets but they're white

[00:32:47] yeah it looks like an office I totally think I can use someone's office a lot of you ask me if

[00:32:52] it's a green screen and I was like no it's a real deal but then when I have to do like in in the

[00:32:56] mouth actual dental work then yes I'll go on like a Sunday or something my boss is really nice

[00:33:00] and gives me the key and then I'll I'll use their they're all freaking love that it's really really

[00:33:05] so I'm like total inside baseball with with your your Instagram stuff I mean like I said I'm not on

[00:33:09] TikTok I haven't really looked at the YouTube stuff but I mean I see the Instagram stuff all

[00:33:13] you know okay awesome yeah YouTube is more very it's very educational yeah I'm like this is

[00:33:18] you know I whatever this is this is that yeah but yeah and Instagram if I think it's more like

[00:33:24] fun for dental people because yeah I'm just like having fun yeah like I want to be relatable

[00:33:28] that's the thing a lot of times my the actors they'll be like well this is a scary skit

[00:33:32] did someone actually say this to you because like I have them say things and I'm like someone

[00:33:36] for sure absolutely yeah say to and they're like how I don't even know how we could deliver

[00:33:40] this but they're always great it's delivering at the line but anyway and then I'll post it

[00:33:44] and like sometimes people it's like awful things like you could imagine but anyway you can go

[00:33:49] watch them if you want at Teeth Talk Girl but yeah the things they say to me and the comments are

[00:33:53] always like oh my goodness what need thank you for doing the skit because like I thought I was the

[00:33:57] only one that had this creepy thing you know what I mean or like or this mean woman or this but

[00:34:02] whatever you know and so it just makes us I feel like it just knows that we're not alone yeah

[00:34:06] it's a huge deal and that's a big deal because some people get really nervous like is it just me why

[00:34:11] are people being so mean to me like I want everyone to know you know it's long that's relatable

[00:34:14] over the last couple years my assistant and I have mentioned you mentioned in passing to other

[00:34:18] patients you tell them how much you appreciate how how easy they are to work on and how much you

[00:34:24] appreciate them being cooperative and like why what do you mean and they're like oh you're the

[00:34:29] you don't you have no idea exactly like we'll kind of go in the this thing in there and all the sudden

[00:34:35] they it you know they're kind of proud of the fact that you know there's people that can open with

[00:34:39] no concern there's people that just fight you on every single thing and it's just uh or scream in

[00:34:43] your face and you wait a seven minute tons of Instagram stuff like that I mean I've seen I've

[00:34:47] seen all those but it's so true relatable stuff yeah yeah none of us are alone and then we also get

[00:34:52] pointers like this we I should say my amazing followers like people will be like what do you say to

[00:34:58] that like how do you respond and people give examples and like they would they strategize like

[00:35:02] this is what I would say this is what I you know what I mean like because I don't have the answers

[00:35:05] that I'm happy to have a platform for people to I think hygiene people hygienists in particular

[00:35:10] are probably much more interactive on Instagram maybe I wonder you know Dr. Josh Austin has thoughts

[00:35:16] on this but oh okay he came in here a little while ago really about no one pays any attention

[00:35:20] right so I'm gonna go pay attention right now yeah so you get you get a lot of you get a lot of

[00:35:24] feedback and that's fantastic very very lucky that is what tells you that you're making a difference

[00:35:29] because if people yeah I mean if they take time to write something and it makes me have

[00:35:33] because it's like a community like they're all helping each other out in the comments section

[00:35:37] and I'm like yes oh that was a good point oh that was a good point or I'll say like this is what

[00:35:40] I would do anyone else have any ideas and like they give all their ideas yeah I'm like this is amazing

[00:35:44] it's it's needs to be a course yeah I need to put this somewhere no let's go yeah I like a safe space

[00:35:49] we're all about the safe space that's cool you know nobody nothing stupid and that's the thing too

[00:35:53] I have a lot of new grads following me like new new graduates right whether it's dental dentists

[00:35:58] or dental hygienists or assistants someone new to the field and they'll come in and just be like

[00:36:02] I'm just trying to learn what's going on and that makes me happy that we have like a safe community

[00:36:06] for them to ask questions nothing stupid there's never a stupid question I didn't know how to put

[00:36:10] topical on when I first started my office sure I was like we didn't really did we do topical school

[00:36:15] I was like so stressed out and like you're afraid to ask stupid questions you know and and that's

[00:36:20] my nothing stupid if you have to if you're not sure how to put the topical in the mouth please ask me

[00:36:24] and I will make a video it's in the same way we're talking on how patients don't know how to do

[00:36:28] these things and why would you know this stuff yeah nobody told you like how do I make it so that

[00:36:32] you know oh you could try and put the guys you just give different everyone's different you know

[00:36:36] everyone has different techniques and like find what works for you yeah I just that's I love the

[00:36:40] community that's really cool thank you for being like that's awesome good for you this was

[00:36:45] this was really exciting I it's funny to that it was like four or five years ago that we did

[00:36:48] this first time almost in the same very spot yeah different capacity well thank you for being

[00:36:54] on this was great thank you for having me this was really nice talking you were so nice definitely

[00:36:58] you're very nice too you're two very nice people we're just happy we have you dental people

[00:37:02] awesome thank you thank you for having